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RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - mvossman - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 07:19 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: https://www.mavsboard.com/showthread.php?tid=1100&pid=113354#pid113354
This from a much later time, almost December. Interesting to see viewpoints at that time, particularly the Bullock hate. That has certainly come around. Don't think anyone would have imagined that folks would be willing to pay Brunson 25 a year by end of season.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - mvossman - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 07:38 PM)audiosway Wrote: That I agree with. I have always liked him. But, I wanted them to trade him at the deadline for an upgrade at the wing. If he does go to the Knicks for $100 million it's an overpay.
He was an expiring and the ties to NY were known at the time. Don't see how we could have upgraded wing in that situation. Best case would have been Mitchel and our 23, which would have made a lot of sense considering we just traded away our starting center for a potential Brunson replacement (Dinwiddie). If there was any chance that was on the table, then we really fucked up.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - cow - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 07:43 PM)mvossman Wrote: This from a much later time, almost December. Interesting to see viewpoints at that time, particularly the Bullock hate. That has certainly come around. Don't think anyone would have imagined that folks would be willing to pay Brunson 25 a year by end of season.
Let me preface by saying that Bullock had arguably one of the best playoff runs on the roster, but dude was bad out of the gate. I still think $10m per year is a little pricey but again maybe ballooning NBA salaries has broken my internal math processor.
(06-28-2022, 07:47 PM)mvossman Wrote: He was an expiring and the ties to NY were known at the time. Don't see how we could have upgraded wing in that situation. Best case would have been Mitchel and our 23, which would have made a lot of sense considering we just traded away our starting center for a potential Brunson replacement (Dinwiddie). If there was any chance that was on the table, then we really fucked up.
Would have been poetry too as I recall a lot of people wanting Robinson with that pick and then making fun of the MBT for their love of tiny PGs.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - KillerLeft - 06-28-2022
What I remember my thought process being is that if Brunson was here after the TDL, they had to be willing to pay whatever it took to keep him.
Maybe it's revisionist of me, but I feel like I was pretty open to either outcome (trading him or overpaying him) in order to prevent the outcome we're about to be stuck with (Brunson walking for nothing from a cap strapped team in an extremely inflexible position).
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RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - cow - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 07:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: What I remember my thought process being is that if Brunson was here after the TDL, they had to be willing to pay whatever it took to keep him.
Maybe it's revisionist of me, but I feel like I was pretty open to either outcome (trading him or overpaying him) in order to prevent the outcome we're about to be stuck with (Brunson walking for nothing from a cap strapped team in an extremely inflexible position).
Bidding war with the Knicks to a certain number that requires them to clear cap space and then offer to help the clear that cap space for a tip. Pray JB has enough loyalty to help push that compensation back to us.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - Chicagojk - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 06:14 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This math has been available on this board since the night of the draft. The S&T question, as many have said, is basically whether it will cost NY something to move on from Burks or Noel. If they have to pay a third team to take one of them, then Dallas should expect the same offer.
BTW, you can get pretty close to the numbers needed for $100mm by simply moving Reddish. I think NY paid a first for Reddish, so I doubt a pick gets attached to now move Reddish a few months later.
I also have doubts we get our first back. As others have mentioned, it may be their best first that they have next year (besides their own) in a said to be strong draft.
Instead of Burkes or Noel, I would probably prefer gambling on youth. I need to look at Myles or Miles (ha) but he was well regarded in the draft last year. So maybe him and Reddish? Maybe you hit on one. I would also have interest in their UT center...but I read how they were going to put him on the roster.
(06-28-2022, 06:14 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This math has been available on this board since the night of the draft. The S&T question, as many have said, is basically whether it will cost NY something to move on from Burks or Noel. If they have to pay a third team to take one of them, then Dallas should expect the same offer.
BTW, you can get pretty close to the numbers needed for $100mm by simply moving Reddish. I think NY paid a first for Reddish, so I doubt a pick gets attached to now move Reddish a few months later.
I also have doubts we get our first back. As others have mentioned, it may be their best first that they have next year (besides their own) in a said to be strong draft.
Instead of Burkes or Noel, I would probably prefer gambling on youth. I need to look at Myles or Miles (ha) but he was well regarded in the draft last year. So maybe him and Reddish? Maybe you hit on one. I would also have interest in their UT center...but I read how they were going to put him on the roster.
I don't know why I am double posting...sorry.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - KillerLeft - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 07:51 PM)cow Wrote: Bidding war with the Knicks to a certain number that requires them to clear cap space and then offer to help the clear that cap space for a tip.
That's what @"DanSchwartzgan" has been selling.
MAYBE they do it if Noel, Burks, whoever, is on the last year of their deal. If not, I bet Dallas has no interest in taking them on and increasing their tax bill. And the "tip" won't be anything to write home about.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - Chicagojk - 06-28-2022
It is going to be a kicker to see Jalen sign with the Knicks for 4 years 85 million
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - Smitty - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 07:54 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: It is going to be a kicker to see Jalen sign with the Knicks for 4 years 85 million
Oh no. Too soon!
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - cow - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 07:54 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: It is going to be a kicker to see Jalen sign with the Knicks for 4 years 85 million
Make it 86.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - mvossman - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 07:14 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Are you sure?
What if something else goes wrong and Brunson isn't around to pick up the slack this time?
Man, I think Brunson is a GREAT player.
Brunson is a really good player, but adding Dragic will keep this from being a complete disaster. 6-10 spots is suggesting we will go from a playoff home court team to a play-in team. I think we will have enough depth (and Luka) to keep that from happening. If something happens to Luka, Brunson would not be able to save us. I think we were like 5-9 when Luka was out.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - Mavs2021 - 06-28-2022
Cuban: We had to let Jalen walk for nothing, cause we didn´t like Randle....and Noel....and Reddish.....and Grimes....and Quickley....and Kneels....and our 2023 1st round pick...
(06-28-2022, 07:57 PM)mvossman Wrote: Brunson is a really good player, but adding Dragic will keep this from being a complete disaster. 6-10 spots is suggesting we will go from a playoff home court team to a play-in team. I think we will have enough depth (and Luka) to keep that from happening. If something happens to Luka, Brunson would not be able to save us. I think we were like 5-9 when Luka was out.
You do realize that the draft is conducted between all 30 teams in the league, not just the Western Conference, right?
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - KillerLeft - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 07:57 PM)mvossman Wrote: 6-10 spots is suggesting we will go from a playoff home court team to a play-in team.
I feel like this could be the difference of only 3-10 wins, potentially.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - cow - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 07:59 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Cuban: We had to let Jalen walk for nothing, cause we didn´t like Randle....and Noel....and Reddish.....and Grimes....and Quickley....and Kneels....and our 2023 1st round pick...
You do realize that the draft is conducted between all 30 teams in the league, not just the Western Conference, right?
Watch us get Feron Hunt back as the tip.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - HAguiar95 - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 07:55 PM)cow Wrote: Make it 86.
No way he signs for THAT much, it's close to the Hardaway deal.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - cow - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 08:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I feel like this could be the difference of only 3-10 wins, potentially.
With the Clipps and Nuggets returning to full strength along with Memphis taking a leap, I already though we'd sliding down.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - KillerLeft - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 08:02 PM)cow Wrote: With the Clipps and Nuggets returning to full strength along with Memphis taking a leap, I already though we'd slide out of the top 4.
Right. And now, the team is basically guaranteed to be less talented.
That doesn't always mean worse, but it's going to be tough.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - cow - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 08:03 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Right. And now, the team is basically guaranteed to be less talented.
That doesn't always mean worse, but it's going to be tough.
GPII + Dragic + Wood + motivated Luka could make us sneaky good.
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - BolsDamols - 06-28-2022
Draft and Free Agency - the best times in the life of a Dallas Mavericks fan
RE: BRUNSON BURNER: JB to NYK for 4yrs/$100+M? | can Mavs get SnT? - KillerLeft - 06-28-2022
(06-28-2022, 08:05 PM)cow Wrote: GPII + Dragic + Wood + motivated Luka could make us sneaky good.
Do you really think they're going to get GPII?
I do not.