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RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - Kammrath - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 02:12 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I'm still pretty solidly in the "trade KP now" camp for two reasons: The Mavs main targets (basing this on Shams and Stein): Kawhi Collins Holmes *Lowry on 2 yr deal Assuming this is true (and with Shams and Stein we can be confident it is), then the Mavs either: 1) Have trading KP as a priority. OR 2) They are ready to put KP next to JC or RH. I WANT it to be #1, but I think #2 is just as likely. JC is a "small" big and RH is a big with great feet on D. Point being, I think our tea leaf reading should start with what Shams and Stein have talked about. RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - Kammrath - 07-23-2021 https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1418652476501340160 RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - Scott41theMavs - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 02:18 PM)omahen Wrote: One could clame he is that anchor you are describing at this point already. In that case it will be easier to trade next season as there will be 30 mil less on his deal. Not if he gets injured. Then he becomes at least three times harder to trade. (07-23-2021, 02:25 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1418652476501340160 Darn. I really want Turner, but he's dropped lower on my list due to Brogdon not being a realistic target to accompany him (cf. feud with Kidd in Milwaukee). RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - Mavs2021 - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 02:25 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1418652476501340160 Kelly Oubre and two rookies...now for some live reactions... RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - KillerLeft - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 12:04 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: and Heat. To be fair, the Heat have been doing things exactly like Cuban these past few years. They've just been doing it much better. RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - fifteenth - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 02:25 PM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1418652476501340160 Let's get in on that RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - KillerLeft - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 02:43 PM)fifteenth Wrote: Let's get in on that Well, the most likely reason for that type of (mis?)information placement is to further motivate whichever team actually IS discussing a trade with Indiana, so it's not impossible. Or, it could be about GS wanting someone to lower their asking price for another center (KP??) by floating the idea they have a different target almost lined up. Honestly, these rumors are all just a game, and we can't win because we'll never know the rules. RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - fifteenth - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 02:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well, the most likely reason for that type of (mis?)information placement is to further motivate whichever team actually IS discussing a trade with Indiana, so it's not impossible. For sure. Every leak serves some team's purposes. I don't have the energy or capacity to figure all that out right now so I'm just gonna be a mindless fan. Then you and all the rest of the smart folk around here can fill me in on what's really going on. :-) RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - omahen - 07-23-2021 https://twitter.com/HoopAnalysisNet/status/1418675831698825217 RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - Scott41theMavs - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 02:32 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Kelly Oubre and two rookies...now for some live reactions... Beautifully done. POTD. RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - Arioch - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 01:59 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: If they targeted KP for that package then that means Decent points. But on the other hand, GS and Dallas are at two very different points in their timeline. GS has only a couple of years of prime Steph (and Klay) left. Any player who can't contribute right now is useless to them. Dallas is looking at 10+ years of prime Luka. Players who don't really move the needle this year, but are potential all-stars with the right development should definitely be on their radar. And as far as KP goes, again, if he gives GS a couple of good seasons before his injury concerns blow up on them, that's a win for them. Conversely, if the Mavs can move KP for long-term value before his injury concerns further hurt the team, that would also be a win. (I've never been on the trade KP at all costs train, and I'm still a resident of KP island who thinks he can be a legitimate #2 for this team--but concerns about his long-term durability are completely legit and if there's a long-term prospect at #7 that Dallas likes, they'd be crazy not to do this deal). RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - omahen - 07-23-2021 https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1418682435445874695 RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - TXBamanut - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 02:32 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Kelly Oubre and two rookies...now for some live reactions... If we can't get him, I would ABSOLUTELY love that... RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - Kammrath - 07-23-2021 https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1418694745774333954 RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - Kammrath - 07-23-2021 https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1418692598831714305 RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - Chicagojk - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 09:41 AM)omahen Wrote: They can join in Dallas. I wish Mavs would be able to think that big and out of the box. It don't seem Mavs are capable of thinking how to bring 50 mil worth of free agents without having 70 mil of cap space. At least. Dallas isn't LA, but if Lowry and Derozan really want to play together, Dallas needs to be in that conversation. For years, I viewed Carlisle as a positive because he is an excellent coach, but it is becoming more and more apparent he wasn't viewed that way with todays players. I had no confidence in Donnie being able to sell his vision and close. Maybe the new guys are better at this....they better be. It would be an uphill battle and Dallas would need to clear at least 10 million and Richardson would need to opt out. Lets say we would need to move Maxi for air (I don't see how we would move Dwight). Our front court would be painfully thin with a healthy KP and downright embarrassing without a healthy KP. But could a starting lineup of Luka, Lowry, Derozan, DFS and KP compete against the best teams? Brunson, Green and Dwight would be your first off the bench. Maybe Nate HInton could win some minutes or Tyler Bey in the front court. Dallas would need to find away to uncover 20 minutes a night at PF somehow. That could be a minimum guy, late round draft pick or internal development. They would need to find a way to upgrade this spot within the next two years. Other teams have found solid pieces in the bargain bin. A starting lineup above though is a good place to be with scoring, toughness, and veteran players. Three point shooting would not be great and defense might not be great. Teams would try to bully us with KP and DFS starting in the front court, but I would take my chances that I could find depth in the front court with smart decisions and the continued development of our youngsters. RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - omahen - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 06:06 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Dallas isn't LA, but if Lowry and Derozan really want to play together, Dallas needs to be in that conversation. For years, I viewed Carlisle as a positive because he is an excellent coach, but it is becoming more and more apparent he wasn't viewed that way with todays players. I had no confidence in Donnie being able to sell his vision and close. Maybe the new guys are better at this....they better be. You are forgetting rMLE and BaE. Shouldn't be a problem finding useful bench players with those exceptions. RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - chaparral - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 06:21 PM)omahen Wrote: You are forgetting rMLE and BaE. Shouldn't be a problem finding useful bench players with those exceptions. What is the estimated dollar amount for the RMLE and BAE? RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - dirkfansince1998 - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 06:21 PM)omahen Wrote: You are forgetting rMLE and BaE. Shouldn't be a problem finding useful bench players with those exceptions. Cannot have both. It is MLE and BAE. Or rMLE. RE: AROUND the NBA: PHI open to trading Ben Simmons | CLE, IND, MIN, TOR, SAC interested - cjeter24 - 07-23-2021 (07-23-2021, 02:12 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I'm still pretty solidly in the "trade KP now" camp for two reasons: #1... I don't think there's any sort of injury that kills his entire career at his age. Probably a bit dramatic there ha Secondly, he'll only have 2 years after this year. We'll have our 1st. I think that pick and another asset would be enough to dump him even with an injury. Worst case you hang onto him thru 2022-2023 season and then trade him as an expiring that summer. And that's like the worst case possible scenario if he has some huge injury like achilles that makes him really hard to trade. #2... I'm not sure what fits with Collins. Honestly I'm not sure what center really works defensively in today's NBA. It seems like they all get attacked aggressively on defense these days. The true unicorn is the defensive center who can guard the perimeter, not get destroyed on the boards, and isn't a killer offensively. |