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RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - SleepingHero - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 02:22 AM)F Gump Wrote: My feeling is that it's impossible, because Holmes wouldn't sign the deal, making the rest of it moot. You really know how to make me feel good about my late night ramblings. Probably for the best, I've sobered up after that post. Caffeine is a helluva drug. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - Mavs2021 - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 02:22 AM)F Gump Wrote: My feeling is that it's impossible, because Holmes wouldn't sign the deal, making the rest of it moot. I don´t know why SleepingHero made it a S&T. If the Mavs trade Porzingis for Barnes+Bagley (they are not taking Richardson), the Mavs can just sign Holmes outright with capspace. Okay assuming Hero wants to keep THJ, too. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - SleepingHero - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 03:18 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Okay assuming Hero wants to keep THJ, too. Bingo thats why I did that. Did not realize that SAC was limited to resigning Holmes to a starting salary of 10.5M. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - SkenfromLMF - 07-27-2021 But if the trade was done separately where Sacto dealt more salary away than they took in the Barnes/Bagley portion the amount they can offer Holmes just went up... So Barnes and Bagley make about 31ish so it takes 24 to create the first step in the trade - Maxi, Powell/Richardson, Burke, and Terry make 25 ish. The 6 million reduction in Sacto's payroll then opens Holmes up to more than 16 million for a starting salary. When it comes time for the second trade you get KP for Holmes (S&T) and Hield. That part should be pretty close to working without other pieces... Outside of then answering who covers the tip. Now, from Sacto's perspective they are operating as an UtC team who then spent all their cap on Holmes to get spare parts from Dallas. I'd think they want a couple of picks a few years down the road. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - Mapka - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 12:07 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Correct. He played better for us than he played ever before, he fits perfectly next to our franchise player, but he is less worth to us than to other teams? You set yourself up to be disappointed. I see us ending up with THJ+Dinwiddie and keeping WCS with the rMLE and that might do the trick. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - mvossman - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 05:55 AM)Mapka Wrote: He played better for us than he played ever before, he fits perfectly next to our franchise player, but he is less worth to us than to other teams? I like THJ, but he does not fit perfectly next to Luka. He is a below average defender, does not create for others, and does not create a lot for himself. Most of the guys being talked about improve on one or more of those issues (Kawhi, Conley, Lowry, Ball, Powell). If we end up with THJ+Dinwiddle, then we would hopefully operate over the cap (JRich for Din) meaning we keep WCS and have the full MLE on top. Even then, I would consider that a significant failure of the offseason. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - Scott41theMavs - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 05:55 AM)Mapka Wrote: He played better for us than he played ever before, he fits perfectly next to our franchise player, but he is less worth to us than to other teams? ...of us being worse this year than last year!!!!!111!!11!1! RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - Scott41theMavs - 07-27-2021 Just 2 days until the draft, 6 until free agency. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - dirkfansince1998 - 07-27-2021 https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1419805650167631885 Coming back to the SGA talk. If he is really on the market I would move heaven and earth to get him. No one not named Luka isn´t available. Probably not enough but you have to try. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - sterlingmallory - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 06:06 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1419805650167631885 If they're trying to get the #1 pick for him then there is no way in hell we have enough to offer. We have nothing outside of Luka that would even come close to #1 overall pick value. I understand wanting SGA though, he would be incredible with Luka RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - DrMav - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 06:33 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: If they're trying to get the #1 pick for him then there is no way in hell we have enough to offer. We have nothing outside of Luka that would even come close to #1 overall pick value. I understand wanting SGA though, he would be incredible with Luka Sources tell me that OKC is desperate to get off SGA, because printing Gilgeous-Alexander on the back of all those jerseys is killing the bottom line plus the local media is on the verge of dropping Thunder coverage since they can’t possibly write stories that include him while still meeting their deadlines. Getting Cunningham is just a perk. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - dirkfansince1998 - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 06:33 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: If they're trying to get the #1 pick for him then there is no way in hell we have enough to offer. We have nothing outside of Luka that would even come close to #1 overall pick value. I understand wanting SGA though, he would be incredible with Luka They are also including the 6th pick. If we go back to the Luka draft the Mavs had to give up a top 10 protected first to move up two spots (from 5 to 3). The year before the 76ers traded the 3rd pick and a future first to get the 1st pick. Moving up costs about one first for two spots. Every draft is different but based on those numbers the estimated value of SGA would only be in the 2-3 first round picks range. If that´s the case I would happily offer all available firsts, Brunson and DFS/Kleber to get it done. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - Mavs03 - 07-27-2021 Hypothetically, let's assume Dallas adds Kyle Lowry in free agency. Dallas is rumored to be interested in Richaun Holmes. Would you trade KP for a sign and trade of Holmes and the contract of Buddy Hield? Lowry Hield Luka DFS Holmes Brunson Terry Green Kleber Powell We still have the MLE to sign another player...maybe Markkanen? I think Dallas, unlike other years, will be extremely aggressive this offseason and get something substantially done. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - VintagePejav2 - 07-27-2021 I think potentially the sign-and-trade deal for Lowry could be J-Rich, Maxi, and WCS. That’s ~$24.5M outgoing, so Lowry can get his $30M per, and those are all essentially expiring contracts (Maxi’s final year is non-guaranteed). That would allow the Mavs to operate over the cap, re-sign Hardaway, and have the full MLE and BAE left to use. Creating the cap space for both Lowry and THJ is definitely more difficult. Supposedly Boston has been tied to the JRich rumors in a salary dump trade. Then I think the likely other player to be dumped is Powell. I could see Orlando for Powell’s landing spot - Mosley supposedly loves him. I’m not too interested in what comes back in those trades, it just needs to be as little guaranteed salary as possible. Roughly, getting to around $45M in space would let you get close to $30M for Lowry and stay in the high teens of $M for THJ. Then you’ve only got the room MLE to finish things off (outside of trades - Brunson?). RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - Scott41theMavs - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 09:03 PM)Mavs03 Wrote: Hypothetically, let's assume Dallas adds Kyle Lowry in free agency. Dallas is rumored to be interested in Richaun Holmes. Would you trade KP for a sign and trade of Holmes and the contract of Buddy Hield? Come on, guys, we've been over this over and over. The reason Holmes is available is that the Kings can't pay him more than a little more than $10 mil per. He isn't gettable at all via sign-and-trade. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - Mapka - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 10:09 AM)mvossman Wrote: I like THJ, but he does not fit perfectly next to Luka. He is a below average defender, does not create for others, and does not create a lot for himself. Most of the guys being talked about improve on one or more of those issues (Kawhi, Conley, Lowry, Ball, Powell). That's like saying a horse is no perfect fit to ride, because it can't fly also. Luka needs a shooting guard ready to shot. That's what THJ is. And left with is defender he is able to get his shot off. That's not the same like create for himself but is a very important skill next to Luka, who might tend to overdribble sometimes and then need a fast emergency valve. I won't argue about the defense, we know he is no plus there over the long time, but he can be in sparks. But getting someone with his needed offense and being a plus defender is just not possible. So perfect fit next to Luka and someone like Lowry or Conley. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - mvossman - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 10:57 PM)Mapka Wrote: That's like saying a horse is no perfect fit to ride, because it can't fly also. But the thing is there are guys out there that provide THJ offense with more to offer like Fournier (playmaking), Powell (defense), Ball (playmaking and defense) that may be only a few million more a year. If we get Lowry and can only fit THJ in cap (and I don't think we have the cap for that without other moves) or we can S&T Lowry (not sure Toronto will be interested) then he makes some sense. In a world where we are not getting Lowry or doing any S&T, its hard to justify spending what it will take to get THJ when we can spend a few more to get better fits (unless of course we can't get those guys here, which is entirely possible). RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - Mavs2021 - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 09:42 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: I think potentially the sign-and-trade deal for Lowry could be J-Rich, Maxi, and WCS. That’s ~$24.5M outgoing, so Lowry can get his $30M per, and those are all essentially expiring contracts (Maxi’s final year is non-guaranteed).Why don´t we add Powell and Burke, too. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - VintagePejav2 - 07-27-2021 (07-27-2021, 11:37 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Why don´t we add Powell and Burke, too. Not expiring. Maybe Orlando would be interested? Mosley loves Powell and Burke only plays well in Orlando. RE: ROSTER TALK: DAL w/ $22.7-34.4M | FA starts Aug 2, 5pm - Mapka - 07-28-2021 (07-27-2021, 11:20 PM)mvossman Wrote: But the thing is there are guys out there that provide THJ offense with more to offer like Fournier (playmaking), Powell (defense), Ball (playmaking and defense) that may be only a few million more a year. If we get Lowry and can only fit THJ in cap (and I don't think we have the cap for that without other moves) or we can S&T Lowry (not sure Toronto will be interested) then he makes some sense. I know the grass is always greener ... I really don´t see it that way. THJ has that ultrafast release that only Powell would provide - and I don´t see him come for anything we can offer. Also he played with Dame (and McColloum) and they failed bigtime together. |