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RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - wmffl87 - 08-05-2021 Toronto isn’t Sacramento or Memphis. They might be rebuilding but it’s one of the best cities and organizations in the NBA. I’m sure Dragic would rather play for a contender but I think he’ll happily show up to work in Toronto and collect his $19 million. I think there’s much more pressure on the Mavs to acquire him than the Raptors to trade him. We have a new front office and this offseason is a C at best right now. The owner also made clear comments on needing a secondary playmaker. I’m not buying the Mavs having leverage in this situation. Would be happy to be wrong. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - vfromlmf - 08-05-2021 mavsluvr Wrote: [url=https://www.mavsboard.com/showthread.php?pid=102289#pid102289][/url]It seems like if any team is in a box, it's Toronto. They're the ones who agreed to take on an old backup guard on a wildly inflated salary, and are now scrambling to find a way out of it. ----------- Beg to differ. First, as I mentioned previously, Toronto has tons of options. Also, they didn't "agree to take" Dragic. No one forced them to do anything. Toronto traded for him - and his guaranteed contract - with eyes wide open. There is no way they're "scrambling to find a way out" of a deal they haven't even officially completed. Moreover, I don't know where this idea that Dragic's contract is wildly inflated came from. He signed the contract years ago and he's never been considered overpaid. Miami simply picked up the last year option. Sure, $19 million is starter money ... but he started half of Miami's playoff games last year and average 29 MIN which would be among top five if he played for the Mavs. For comparison, JRich got 13 MIN in the playoffs last year. Dragic is not some washed-up dead weight contract. I guess maybe your point is, if Dragic were a free agent today, a new deal might start between the full MLE and his current deal. But he's not a free agent, so it doesn't matter. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - mavsluvr - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 04:36 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I do. I think he’d fit in great, and if they get the Dragic from the bubble season, I think he’d be a GOOD starter. You may be right about Dragic, Killer. He may really be as good as Lowry and Conley and so forth. If that is really the case, then it seems like you should be willing for the Mavs to pay $19M for him. Maybe you are. At that level, it's surprising he hasn't drawn more interest, since his salary wouldn't be out of line. Anyway, if you're right, a push to get him, even at a high cost, would seem to be desirable. If in fact, he has significantly declined, then I think you have to view him as one of a number of alternatives out there. I find the idea that the Mavs are unable to obtain any competent playmaker except Dragic out of all the players in the NBA somewhat appalling. But, maybe that's just where we are. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - dirkfansince1998 - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 04:48 PM)fifteenth Wrote: Eric Reid? I skipped ahead as well. Finished my free agency rant on day one. Now I am just waiting for something to happen. Only thing left on the schedule right now is summer league so I am all in on future DPOY EJ Onu. Not sure if it will be the DPOY award in the NBA, g-league, euroleague, china or some weekend recreation league but I expect great things from. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - Hypermav - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 05:00 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: future DPOY EJ Onu RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - mavsluvr - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 04:53 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: mavsluvr Wrote: [url=https://www.mavsboard.com/showthread.php?pid=102289#pid102289][/url]It seems like if any team is in a box, it's Toronto. They're the ones who agreed to take on an old backup guard on a wildly inflated salary, and are now scrambling to find a way out of it.Are you sure it was my post that you meant to reply to? RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - cow - 08-05-2021 I'm not sure why the Mavs would be pressured to get Goran. We haven't really raised the ceiling for this team. We are a lower seed playoff team that could be a 1st or 2nd round exit. Dragic isn't going to raise that ceiling either and certainly not enough to squander the few assets we have. I'd rather dust off Zoran than give up anything for Goran. The only leap this team can make is if a healthy KP can return to form and Kidd can figure out a way to make him and Luka work well together on the court. That's what all of our moves have pointed to, giving KP one last season to fit in Dallas. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - SkenfromLMF - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 04:16 PM)Jmaciscool Wrote: If Mavsluvr is (obviously) Mark Followill, and he had a perfect setup that you missed, then does that mean you're...Derek Harper?? BWAHHHAHAHAHAH! You made me... RIP mixed drink! RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - mavsluvr - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 04:29 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: After reading the last couple pages of the thread, I would agree with what others have said that 1) our new playmaker doesn't have to be Dragic, but on the other hand, 2) if not him, who? Looks to me like the only player left on the FA board who would be adequate is Jackson, and that's going to entail a separate move or two to make happen (i.e. the pivot to operating under-the-cap). Thanks for your thoughts, Scott. Specific responses above. I agree that the failure to improve the playmaking capacity would be very disappointing. I just don't buy that the failure to get any one particular guy constitutes a collapse of the entire season before it even begins. That's letting the new FO off too easy. After all, there are 29 teams in the NBA, some better than the Mavs, who are going to start their seasons without Dragic. We can't let the failure to engage Dragic constitute some sort of excuse for them to fold up their tents and go home until next July, on the grounds that there is no one else who can perform that job. Even if they don't get Dragic, they have to keep trying! Heck, they need to keep trying even if they do get him. It might not be this week, or before training camp, or going into the season, but they have to keep at it. The NBA is full of talented playmakers, and there is no excuse for not finding one this whole season! Imho, anyway. Not sure if you even disagree with that. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - mavsluvr - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 05:53 PM)cow Wrote: I'm not sure why the Mavs would be pressured to get Goran. We haven't really raised the ceiling for this team. We are a lower seed playoff team that could be a 1st or 2nd round exit. Dragic isn't going to raise that ceiling either and certainly not enough to squander the few assets we have. I'd rather dust off Zoran than give up anything for Goran. Yeah, when I take off my homer glasses, it seems to me that this team is not likely to contend this season, whether Dragic comes here or not. Getting into the second round would probably constitute a successful season, barring anything wild happening. It looks like the Mavs might think that internal improvement, different coaching, and some tinkering at the edges may be enough to get them to that point, while they give the Luka-KP pairing another chance to work. But still continuing with the old "opportunistic" strategy of keeping an ear to the ground for possible outside improvements. Even if that truly is their philosophy, they still need another playmaker, whether it's Dragic or someone else. Imho, tbqh. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - cow - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 06:18 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: Even if that truly is their philosophy, they still need another playmaker, whether it's Dragic or someone else. Imho, tbqh. How much money can the team scrape together? I know people hate Dennis the menace, but it is looking like he's heading to a one-year deal. I don't love his personality, but he'd be fine for a year. That gives you a secondary ball-handler, playmaking, perimeter defense and an okay'ish outside shooter. If it is a one year deal, he's probably on his best behavior and if he becomes a problem, send him home. It's a Cuban, zig-zag move. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - SkenfromLMF - 08-05-2021 I am gonna go ahead and say we don't need any further improvement... We are going into TANK MODE BABY!!! Quick Question: Do play in Teams qualify for the Lottery?? RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - VintagePejav2 - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 06:23 PM)cow Wrote: How much money can the team scrape together? I know people hate Dennis the menace, but it is looking like he's heading to a one-year deal. I don't love his personality, but he'd be fine for a year. That gives you a secondary ball-handler, playmaking, perimeter defense and an okay'ish outside shooter. If it is a one year deal, he's probably on his best behavior and if he becomes a problem, send him home. It's a Cuban, zig-zag move. He’s apparently a major “arsch” - according to Dirk Nowitzki and Maximilian Kleber. Not gonna happen. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - Jommybone - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 06:02 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: I am not yet sold on the new FO being any better than the old one, but I do think that they are smart enough to take Luka's desires into account. Appreciate the discussion sans ultimatum/negativity. You make great points. On the one I quoted, though, aren’t you impressed with the timely, decisive moves to get two-way guys on long-term deals at reasonable prices? I’m trying to think of when the previous management accomplished any of those things. I can’t remember any first-in-line deals involving the Mavs. Wes Matthews maybe? I’m not sure. I don’t remember the Mavs signing two-way guys. Defenders or offenders every time, it seems to me. And the only value signings I can think of were too short. Maybe Curry the second time was an exception? I’m sure there are deals I’m forgetting. I’m not a Donny hater. And I can’t get over how well they did with Luka and Jalen in the 2018 draft. But the RB/SB signings are different in kind, not just degree, from what we’ve been seeing in free agency. Again, these moves (1) were decisive, (2) involve 2-way players, and (3) locked em up on long-term, value deals. That seems new and better to me. Significantly so. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - cow - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 06:31 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: He’s apparently a major “arsch” - according to Dirk Nowitzki and Maximilian Kleber. Not gonna happen. Which was pointed in my post. Low risk, high reward. If the arschloch comes out, send it home. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - VintagePejav2 - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 06:35 PM)cow Wrote: Which was pointed in my post. Low risk, high reward. If the arschloch comes out, send it home. I think I’d just rather see this dude get some real NBA minutes: https://youtu.be/T58AxanpiEQ RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - mavsluvr - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 06:23 PM)cow Wrote: How much money can the team scrape together? I know people hate Dennis the menace, but it is looking like he's heading to a one-year deal. I don't love his personality, but he'd be fine for a year. That gives you a secondary ball-handler, playmaking, perimeter defense and an okay'ish outside shooter. If it is a one year deal, he's probably on his best behavior and if he becomes a problem, send him home. It's a Cuban, zig-zag move. Yeah, they might have to hold their noses and sign someone like that, at least temporarily. I actually would be okay with Brunson being Luka's primary backup for the regular season, although I think they still need a third point guard who can actually play meaningful minutes in case someone is hurt. However, I fear that Brunson's size/lack of speed puts a fairly modest ceiling on how much he can contribute in the playoffs. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - david75090 - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 06:40 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: I think I’d just rather see this dude get some real NBA minutes: A Trae Young lite paired with Luka might take some of the scoring load off of our Slovenian. We're seeing indications that he's working and sweating. We know he's intelligent (Stanford) and a winner (3 Minnesota state high school championships). Internal improvement. Perhaps that secondary ballhandler/creator is already in-house. And still a kid. (Thanks Donnie) RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - mavsluvr - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 06:35 PM)Jommybone Wrote: Appreciate the discussion sans ultimatum/negativity. You make great points. RE: MAVS NEWS: DAL has $10.866M TPE | DAL wants Dragic as free agent not trade - Jmaciscool - 08-05-2021 (08-05-2021, 06:44 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: Yeah, they might have to hold their noses and sign someone like that, at least temporarily. I'm conflicted, I started the off-season with a "no Shroder" mindset and I think I'm still leaning that way, but I also don't want to go into the season where the third best ball handler is the coach. |