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RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - Chicagojk - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 03:50 PM)F Gump Wrote: Maybe all of the above? We don't know what going on behind the scenes, but Toronto could keep Dragic and see if there are any offers at the trade deadline. It is probably not preferable, but it could be an option. For Dallas, optics matter. Luka sees the Lakers getting everyone under the sun. Now Dallas is not LAL and maybe these moves don't work once the games come for LAL. But added to the confusion over the 2019 Goran chase and now they have Goran saying he would want to play with Luka in a quote from today. If the Mavs can't make it happen, it needs to register somewhere in the back of Luka's mind regardless if he signs for 5 years. So the Mavs are under pressure to to make this happen....if this is the path they have chosen. RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - fifteenth - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 04:00 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: If the Mavs didn't want to send WCS/Powell for Dragic because it ruined their center depth Not sure if that's the real reason. They probably don't tell reporters the real reason. They tell reporters something that helps their negotiation. RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - luka_skywalker_77 - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 03:58 PM)fifteenth Wrote: better to be done already? or to get the deal they want? If they know they have a guy that wants to be here, and all parties agree, then deal and be done with it. I understand TOR is going to play hardball obviously, because they hold all the cards. But saying that the price of WCS and DP was too high because they would be left without a credible backup, when a lot of Cs were picked up today and yesterday and you drafted another? RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - khaled1987 - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 03:58 PM)soog Wrote: Not when you look at the alternative. If Tor can’t pull this off they have to waive Dragic and still pay him. Then the Mavs sign him to a 1 yr vet min and both Mavs and Dragic are happy no assets lost by the Mavs. So what is in it for the Mavs to participate in this? Why pay for something (even if the cost is as low as WCS or TT) when you can have it for free? Or Toronto just keep him and play him? Or do what Memphis did with Iggy and refuse to budge for his demands? Toronto doesn't have to do anything they don't like RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - fifteenth - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 04:01 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: For Dallas, optics matter. I doubt the front office is thinking about this. If they put together a good team that wins, the optics follow that. (08-03-2021, 04:02 PM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: If they know they have a guy that wants to be here, and all parties agree, then deal and be done with it. deals can take time, especially when you have multiple parties trying to get what they want they party in the most hurry probably gets the worst end of the deal I'm excited about this actually. I think we have a GM that negotiates and doesn't give in easily. And that appears to be a change from the past. (08-03-2021, 04:03 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: Toronto doesn't have to do anything they don't like I'm sure that's what Toronto is saying RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - Smitty - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 04:03 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: Or Toronto just keep him and play him? TOR the team doesn't have to do anything they don't like but it's an agent league and pissing off an agent over something that doesn't really benefit your team anyway - is not a smart business decision. If Gragic wants the Mavs and the interest is mutual. TOR has no reason to keep him on the roster and play 'hardball'. RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - Scott41theMavs - 08-03-2021 Dear Mavs, Getting rid of Dwight Powell's contract is a positive. We all get that you love him, but Nico's job is to build a team that can win, and DP is a barrier to that. Please don't whiff on this opportunity. And if center depth is a problem, news flash: centers are cheap. Go sign two for the vet min and be done with it. Signed, Scott41 RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - Arioch - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 04:02 PM)fifteenth Wrote: Not sure if that's the real reason. They probably don't tell reporters the real reason. They tell reporters something that helps their negotiation. Did they tell reporters anything? In the report I saw, the reporter didn't even claim sources were saying that was the reason, he was outright speculating. RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - Scott41theMavs - 08-03-2021 Center depth a problem? Go get TOBEY. RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - MrGoat - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 04:19 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Center depth a problem? Go get TOBEY. 100% Carlisle's gone. If Powell is really the holdup over a Dragic trade... RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - fifteenth - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 04:18 PM)Arioch Wrote: Did they tell reporters anything? In the report I saw, the reporter didn't even claim sources were saying that was the reason, he was outright speculating. Oh, really. I'm just getting that from the tweets that folks have posted in the different threads. I saw stuff that looked like team reps feeding media folk from both sides, but not sure I want to go hunt the tweets down. RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - cow - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 03:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: 1) WCS is a GREAT value for what he brings IMO. Stop trolling me, kamm kamm. RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - cow - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 04:19 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Center depth a problem? Go get TOBEY. Post of the decade. Luka loves playing with him. He has a high IQ. Sets great screens. Rebounds will. Is a lob threat. You can argue there is a reason he isn't in the NBA and I'd counter that WCS (was already on his way out), Powell (post injury) and Boban (defensive liability and his offensive efficiency has taken a nose dive) are fringe guys at best. RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - SleepingHero - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 04:03 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: Or do what Memphis did with Iggy and refuse to budge for his demands? Speaking of Iggy, I don't think he's signed anywhere yet has he? RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - fifteenth - 08-03-2021 So, I've been fine with DP being in trade possibilities. Not trying to keep him here or anything. But I don't think the board's opinion of DP fits the actual player. His play suffered post injury, for sure, but heplayed pretty well toward the end of the season. Not saying we should keep him, just that he's not the zero that he's been portrayed as recently. RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - cow - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 04:56 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Speaking of Iggy, I don't think he's signed anywhere yet has he? Wasn't he supposed to be chatting with GSW? Do they have roster spots? RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - Scott41theMavs - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 04:58 PM)fifteenth Wrote: So, I've been fine with DP being in trade possibilities. Not trying to keep him here or anything. Thing is, not only have we not acquired a third (actually second) star this offseason, we haven't addressed our lack of playmaking. We're in a position of *needing* Dragic. Why presume he's going to come here for the minimum if bought out? Either the Mavs are stalling to possibly make a better move (more likely Collins than Siakim, tbh), or they're being stupid. I liked Powell's play at the end of the year as well, but his contract is still an albatross that it would be helpful to get out of. RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - cow - 08-03-2021 I liked Powell's energy at the end of the year. He showed a few glimpses but he's still like 70% of what he was. Maybe he gets back to normal, but his contract was probably too large for Powell at %100 anyway. And that's coming from a member of #ClubDiamond. Depth at center is also pretty funny when you consider that none of them rebound well. RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - KillerLeft - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 05:09 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Thing is, not only have we not acquired a third (actually second) star this offseason, we haven't addressed our lack of playmaking. We're in a position of *needing* Dragic. Why presume he's going to come here for the minimum if bought out? Not only that, but I kind of wanted the expiring contract, personally. If it is true that Cuban is really sweating the $19 million, then to me that has dark implications for the future. Once Luka’s extension kicks in, this team is going to need to at least flirt with the tax line to be good, I would think. Maybe I’m missing some thing, but I don’t see any reason to balk at the salary other than not wanting to raise the bottom line by about $5 million. Could just be negotiating, so no panic. RE: MAVS NEWS: Dragic wants DAL | DAL has $10.866M TPE - fifteenth - 08-03-2021 (08-03-2021, 05:09 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Either the Mavs are stalling to possibly make a better move (more likely Collins than Siakim, tbh), or they're being stupid. I think there are other choices than these two. So I binarily disagree. Man, I gotta tell ya, I buy what Gump has been selling for a while now, that the Mavs have lacked in the area of negotiation. But watching the posturing through the media, and speculation about what's going on in these negotiations, I'm enjoying the fact that we're not rolling over, opening the vault and thowing draft picks at everyone; enjoying that we are negotiating. There have been some good posts on what is most likely going on with this potential trade. Don't know that I could give a good summary. You should go back and find those posts!! I don't know how it's going to turn out, but it's fun. And it makes sense for all parties that something gets dones. AND... even if the trade doesn't happen, I'm sure we're not done. #Nicotiation |