(06-30-2024, 07:48 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Yikes, Don't you people sleep.  It takes a while to catch up since I went to bed.


Probably the best news I've seen is the latest from Stein where he talks about keeping DJJ OR going after Naji Marshall.  Marshall is roughly equivalent to Jones Jr. and is probably expecting that same $8-$12 million payday in free agency.  That means they are trying to get Thompson and preserve some or all of the NT MLE.  Both of those items (S&T and use of more than $5.2mm exception) hard cap you, so we know what the spending limit is.  What we don't know is how the money gets divided between Thompson and whichever MLE guy we get.

I personally don't see Thompson taking the full NT MLE to come here (plus, he can't take it and us keep DJJ for that same exception).  So, the Thompson part has to be a S&T.  We have to move Green.  It can be to GSW or to anyone with space, a TPE or the NT MLE.  As I've long pointed out, his contract fits into that slot (probably by design).  

We've got about $26.5mm to divide between the two players.  If it is a trade match with Green, Klay can get up to $20mm (but that doesn't leave much for DJJ/Marshall).  It doesn't have to be $20mm...it can be anything up to that.  I think more likely we send Green somewhere else for a couple of second rounders (and give one of them to GSW).  That puts Thompson into the THJ trade exception at $16.2mm and leaves about $10.5mm for DJJ/Marshall.  A $16.2mm starting salary is a $10mm advantage over three years compared to taking the MLE from someone else.  Also, GSW now has a nice sized TPE for use in retooling their roster.

I'm going to prick FG here gently.  I posted this exact 16.2/10.5 scenario twice yesterday pointing out that Maxi is retained if we do it this way.  The first time he pointed out that he didn't see a way to keep Maxi if we got Thompson and kept DJJ.  Later I posted it again in response to a question from Scott and FG pointed out that it was unlikely Thompson would take that amount.  I had to chuckle a bit this morning when I saw on page 92 that that exact scenario is now his dream scenario as it prioritizes contracts well.  If it works out this way, it is another bit of strong GMing.  This is what I meant about the brilliance of the Hardaway trade.  I like Grimes, but the fact he fits into one of our TPE's could be really important because it creates a full $16.2mm TPE for THJ rather than netting Grimes salary against THJ's salary.

(06-30-2024, 09:22 AM)SamStetz Wrote: https://x.com/TheSteinLine/status/1807418855788044369


Thanks
@MavsFilmRoom
! You are correct. Precise path to a Thompson deal, as story says, not yet known. Warriors would prefer sign-and-trade to avoid losing him without compensation. Even exact size of Mavs' TPE from Hardaway trade not yet known because that deal not yet official.

(06-30-2024, 09:30 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Oh interesting....

Could Detroit accept Josh Green as part of the THJ trade to increase the Mavs TPE to around 28.5 mil? Klay could start at around 23 mil and the Mavs would still have enough for the full MLE and a vet min.

Hmmmmmm

(06-30-2024, 09:30 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Oh interesting....

Could Detroit accept Josh Green as part of the THJ trade to increase the Mavs TPE to around 28.5 mil? Klay could start at around 23 mil and the Mavs would still have enough for the full MLE and a vet min.

Hmmmmmm

(06-30-2024, 08:51 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: How much of that is Nico's fault or Cuban's fault? Because his first summer was a textbook Cuban summer. 

Cuban basically relinquished control after the Kyrie trade since he was working on a sale that was finalized in December. Is it such a coincidence that as soon Cuban wasn't involved in FA/Draft that the Mavs had a great summer?

(06-30-2024, 09:31 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: I'm in the wanting Klay group, but I'll be sick if it starts at 23. I'm hoping for 20 per year or hopefully even less

(06-30-2024, 09:05 AM)Deebo Wrote: Issue is his much does Klay want.  Rather not trade both maxi and green.  Also don’t want give him more than 2-3 year deal.

(06-30-2024, 09:37 AM)Tyler Wrote: Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe TPEs can be additively combined like that. They're limited to the value of the contracts being traded. So if we trade both THJ and Green to Detroit, I believe we'd have two smaller TPEs rather than one mega TPE. And if we're using a TPE to acquire Klay, he would need to fit into either one or the other.

(06-30-2024, 09:11 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: I’d rather the Mavs kept DJJ and dumped Green for Marshall in a scenario like this. Acquiring Klay, who’s washed up and is only going to decline physically, can’t defend a lick, and will be a malcontent if he’s not starting will be a disaster for the Mavs. The Warriors aren’t dumb. They know Klay is basically just a shooter now. I hope the Mavs fail in this endeavor. Luka, Klay, and Kyrie is the same starting lineup or in the same lineup at all is just insane.

(06-30-2024, 09:42 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I understood it as the THJ deal having not been finalized, the Mavs could send Green to DET and the final trade is THJ+Green out, Grimes into BAE exception=28.4 mil TPE cause that is the net trade. If they did 2 smaller trades then I think they will end up with 2 separate TPE's

(06-30-2024, 09:41 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: It´s not even a primarily money issue imho, which should raise even more red flags. Money can be fixed at the last minute with an intervention from Steph for example. This is clearly a situation where GS figured out they are a better team with Podziemski or Kuminga (or both) starting and told Klay that he won´t be a starter next year. He clearly does not want to accept that reality and feels disrespected. 

(06-30-2024, 09:46 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I think this is apart of it. 

But I think the main reason Klay is done with GSW started last year when they refused to offer him a proper extension. Especially having given Green a 4 year 100 mil deal that year. 

Instead of just taking care of Klay, the Warriors FO played hardball with him. Then going into the off-season, again instead of making Klay a priority, they focus on big fish chasing. That for me was where they truly lost Klay. GSW's last chance to make Klay feel like he was a big part of the team and they blew it.

On top of a probable diminished role with Podz/Kuminga, I think Klay was tired of the disrespect. 

The Warriors beat reporter put it very bluntly in his send off article that the Warriors WILL NOT be better without Klay next year, and having had not gotten Paul George, the Warriors are in trouble.

(06-30-2024, 09:30 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Oh interesting....

Could Detroit accept Josh Green as part of the THJ trade to increase the Mavs TPE to around 28.5 mil? Klay could start at around 23 mil and the Mavs would still have enough for the full MLE and a vet min.

Hmmmmmm