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RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay| DJJ Now Represented By Klutch - RoyTarpleysGhost - 06-28-2024
Why do we want Ingram? This isn’t NBA2K
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay| DJJ Now Represented By Klutch - RasheedsBigWhiteSpot - 06-28-2024
(06-28-2024, 07:31 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Why do we want Ingram? This isn’t NBA2K
It's not?
He's a long-bodied wing that provides more offense than some of the others suggested.
I'm looking for a bigger shot creator than just Luka/Kyr.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay| DJJ Now Represented By Klutch - LukaMVP - 06-28-2024
yeah we need a third shot creator but that shouldn't come at the expense of D imho. Herb Jones would be a good choice that would even make resigning DJJ not so necessary, but I don't think we have the assets needed to get him.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay Thompson | Hawks Fire Sale - SleepingHero - 06-28-2024
(06-28-2024, 07:07 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: That's an insanely expensive contract for Klay at this point in his career. It's a move I would attribute such an imbecilic move from the old regime, not the current.
I think we differ on what is "insanely" expensive in today's NBA. I thought at the time of Brunson's FA that a 25 mil AAV contract would be crippling to a team for a high quality role player (lets forget about the *actual* production JB is doing right now). I've since been schooled.
Today his 24mil salary is less than 18% of the overall cap. It is a fantastic deal. And that cap is going to increase year over year by 10% till at least 2028 where it's projected to be about 180mil conservatively after the TV contract has kicked in for a bit (and most likely 2 new teams as well bringing in revenue).
By then, in Klay's last year, his 25 mil salary will be 13% of the cap overall. The MLE will be starting at 16-18 mil. That 13% is akin to PJ Washington's deal right now which is right around 11%.
In short, no, Klay signing for a 4 year/92 mil deal isn't outlandish. And will most probably be very good value as long as he remains healthy.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay| DJJ Now Represented By Klutch - Jason Terry - 06-28-2024
Cam Johnson for Green, Maxi, Omax and 2026 pick swap
We go into next season with an elite 6 man group of 3/4/5’s. The platoon at ghe 5 worked well last year. Why not try it at the 3/4?
Lively/Gafford
PJ/Cam
DJJ/Grimes
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay Thompson | Hawks Fire Sale - F Gump - 06-28-2024
(06-28-2024, 07:07 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: That's an insanely expensive contract for Klay at this point in his career. It's a move I would attribute such an imbecilic move from the old regime, not the current.
Is it? It's hard to weigh value objectively, but I suspect that 20-21M is closer to "too low" than too high.
1 We will get a hint at what the NBA experts think he's worth, when he signs.
2 Salaries are going through the roof.
3 Klay's last deal ended at over $43M this last season. How much has he fallen off? (He might not even take a phone call for an offer in the 20s, who knows.)
4 His max is a shade under 50M. Offering 20-21 seems cheap in that setting.
5 Last season THJ was paid $17.9M. We need way better, right? That's the on-court role Klay would be given, only the Mavs want someone who can at least defend a bit, and can be somewhat consistent. By that comp, Klay would seem worth way more than 20-21.
6 Is Kyrie worth twice as much as Klay? That's what 20-21 would indicate, by comparative salaries.
My thinking is less about the money, and more about the combo of "what is available to spend" and whether Klay would make a difference. I think he would.
We've talked about that 6th man type who can score in bunches, but we also want a guy who has some ability to defend. Better than THJ (on both ends). The scoring and the defense-too aspect will raise the salary for a 6th man, but I think there's real value if you spot that scoring guy you need and he's gettable. (I think ORL sees the same thing.)
I see Klay as potentially a guy like Ray Allen, who twice was the shooter added to a contender, which led to a title both times. Thought to be slowing a bit, on the downhill side. But his marksmanship opened up the floor. And one time he signed for what the team could reasonably offer, because he wanted to be there.
To me, that feels like a place where this could go, if they can sign Klay (and do so in the right price range), so that's why I'd be in favor of something like we're saying. I don't mind giving up Green for that guy. Adding Kleber makes me a bit more reluctant, but you have to move some salary.
I can accept a different solution, if there is one that's better/cheaper. And I can see "no one" as a possible (perhaps likely) path, with a hope that Hardy/Grimes can somehow be that guy.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay| DJJ Now Represented By Klutch - Jason Terry - 06-28-2024
I don’t want Klay Hardaway
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay| DJJ Now Represented By Klutch - Jym - 06-28-2024
Mark me down as a No for Klay
Jason Terry - Jason Terry - 06-28-2024
(06-28-2024, 07:01 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine)This is scary. You only make an agency move if there’s a problem. We desperately need him back
As he prepares to enter free agency after a hugely successful debut season in Dallas, Derrick Jones Jr. has made an agency move is now represented by Rich Paul's Klutch Sports, league sources say.
More NBA from me: http://marcstein.substack.com/
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay| DJJ Now Represented By Klutch - Moviemavguy - 06-28-2024
Good grief, I don't get the Klay Thompson thing at all. I was hoping it was just to create some fake market for him.
Marc Stein says there is strong mutual interest. Ugh.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay Thompson | Hawks Fire Sale - Mavs2021 - 06-28-2024
(06-28-2024, 08:27 PM)F Gump Wrote: Is it? It's hard to weigh value objectively, but I suspect that 20-21M is closer to "too low" than too high.Good then let´s pay him like Ray Allen, too.
1 We will get a hint at what the NBA experts think he's worth, when he signs.
2 Salaries are going through the roof.
3 Klay's last deal ended at over $43M this last season. How much has he fallen off? (He might not even take a phone call for an offer in the 20s, who knows.)
4 His max is a shade under 50M. Offering 20-21 seems cheap in that setting.
5 Last season THJ was paid $17.9M. We need way better, right? That's the on-court role Klay would be given, only the Mavs want someone who can at least defend a bit, and can be somewhat consistent. By that comp, Klay would seem worth way more than 20-21.
6 Is Kyrie worth twice as much as Klay? That's what 20-21 would indicate, by comparative salaries.
My thinking is less about the money, and more about the combo of "what is available to spend" and whether Klay would make a difference. I think he would.
We've talked about that 6th man type who can score in bunches, but we also want a guy who has some ability to defend. Better than THJ (on both ends). The scoring and the defense-too aspect will raise the salary for a 6th man, but I think there's real value if you spot that scoring guy you need and he's gettable. (I think ORL sees the same thing.)
I see Klay as potentially a guy like Ray Allen, who twice was the shooter added to a contender, which led to a title both times. Thought to be slowing a bit, on the downhill side. But his marksmanship opened up the floor. And one time he signed for what the team could reasonably offer, because he wanted to be there.
To me, that feels like a place where this could go, if they can sign Klay (and do so in the right price range), so that's why I'd be in favor of something like we're saying. I don't mind giving up Green for that guy. Adding Kleber makes me a bit more reluctant, but you have to move some salary.
I can accept a different solution, if there is one that's better/cheaper. And I can see "no one" as a possible (perhaps likely) path, with a hope that Hardy/Grimes can somehow be that guy.
From age 35 to age 38, Allen earned 6% of the cap on average. That translates to a starting salary of 15M today. If you mirror Allen´s contracts exactly it comes out to a 2+2 deal with the first contract being worth 44/2 from age 35+36 and 15/2 from age 37+38.
That´s roughly what Orlando is allegedly currently offering him, but he does not want 50/2. He wants three or maybe even four guaranteed years.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay| DJJ Now Represented By Klutch - RoyTarpleysGhost - 06-28-2024
Stein] Amid a growing belief leaguewide that Thompson's relationship with the Golden State Warriors is irretrievable, strong mutual interest between Thompson and the Dallas Mavericks is expected when free agency opens Sunday evening, league sources tell The Stein Line.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay| DJJ Now Represented By Klutch - Jason Terry - 06-28-2024
The only way this makes sense is if we sign DJJ to MLE. Then trade Green for Klay
Klay would need to accept MLE money which is far less than anticipated for him
Plus he would need to be humbled enough to accept he probably will sit on the bench when the game is on the line. And not a starter.
Even then i want to barf. We would be worse next year if this was Klay over DJJ
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay| DJJ Now Represented By Klutch - RoyTarpleysGhost - 06-28-2024
With the Warriors and Thompson nowhere close to a contract agreement after a tumultuous season marked by fractious negotiations, multiple sources have indicated that the Mavericks are likely to emerge as the favorite to sign the shooting guard whose Splash Brothers backcourt partnership with Stephen Curry helped the Warriors win four championships in a span of eight seasons from 2014-15 through 2021-22.
Dallas completed a trade Friday with Detroit, after The Stein Line revealed talks between the teams Tuesday (full Twitter thread here), to send Tim Hardaway Jr. into the Pistons' salary cap space in exchange for Quentin Grimes. The Mavericks had to surrender three future second-round picks in the swap to get the Pistons' assistance, but the trade is expected to create sufficient flexibility for Dallas to extend a multiyear offer to Thompson that can compete with other suitors.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay| DJJ Now Represented By Klutch - RoyTarpleysGhost - 06-28-2024
Sorry if repost. Just saw a Reddit thread about 30 minutes ago. So it seems Stein is going in even harder
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: Mavs Trying For Klay| DJJ Now Represented By Klutch - RoyTarpleysGhost - 06-28-2024
I dunno what to think of Klay.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein:Strong Mutual Interest Klay+DAL|DJJ Represented By Klutch - SleepingHero - 06-28-2024
Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) ✧
Strong mutual interest between Klay Thompson and Dallas Mavericks is expected when free agency opens Sunday, league sources tell The Stein Line.
Full story with all the new twists in the Klay Chase: https://open.substack.com/pub/marcstein/p/more-new-twists-in-the-looming-free?r=yutr&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
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RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein:Strong Mutual Interest Klay+DAL|DJJ Represented By Klutch - SleepingHero - 06-28-2024
With the Warriors and Thompson nowhere close to a contract agreement after a tumultuous season marked by fractious negotiations, multiple sources have indicated that the Mavericks are likely to emerge as the favorite to sign the shooting guard whose Splash Brothers backcourt partnership with Stephen Curry helped the Warriors win four championships in a span of eight seasons from 2014-15 through 2021-22."
Mavs Film Room ?? (@MavsFilmRoom)
Stein also reported that it would be unclear if the Mavericks could also retain Derrick Jones Jr. if they do manage to acquire Klay Thompson.
But it is Klay’s preference to stay in the Western Conference.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein:Strong Mutual Interest Klay+DAL|DJJ Represented By Klutch - Branduil - 06-28-2024
I don't mind Klay if the cost is just Green and Powell or whoever, but using the MLE for him instead of DJJ? Big mistake
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein:Strong Mutual Interest Klay+DAL|DJJ Represented By Klutch - SleepingHero - 06-28-2024
(06-28-2024, 09:28 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) ✧
Strong mutual interest between Klay Thompson and Dallas Mavericks is expected when free agency opens Sunday, league sources tell The Stein Line.
Full story with all the new twists in the Klay Chase: https://open.substack.com/pub/marcstein/p/more-new-twists-in-the-looming-free?r=yutr&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
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Me right now.
If Klay signs with Dallas my homerism might ascend to a new level we've never seen before. Y'all will see Klay skyfuck every team in the league and everyone will shudder at the Dallas Mavericks.