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RE: MAVS NEWS: - myconsumerclub - 08-26-2025
Just checked out rankings for each position from the Hoops Reference guy
PF #4 AD. Has AD behind Bron, Tatum, and Giannis I think it is safe to say AD is a clear #2 behind Giannis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On00d9hN_0s
PG #9 Irving. hey I think he should be ranked higher but then again he has to get healthy first. Healthy he is easily top 5 if not higher. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMmA29amODo
SF #12 Cooper. Nothing is sure till the games start and we see what we have. I am confident to say I see his easily winning ROY and taking his place as the leader of this team when it is all said and done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7jblP5ABiE
C #20 Lively. Injuries kept him off the floor so its up to him to show what we believe is possible and a top 10 ranking at the 5 is what I see being possible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dHsHEM3Rp4
SG #25 Klay. Only one team had 2 players that shot more than 7 shots from 3 while hitting 39% or better from downtown and Klay and Irving were those guys. Only 11 guys in the league performed at that level anyway. Klay is a top level talent with 4 rings and this goof ball must have gotten a bad nights sleep or something because he had Grimes at 18 on his list of top SG's. I would have Klay in the top 15 for sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t_4R7MlXQg
6th man he had PJ ranked at the 6th highest 6th man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH-JDR1Tl94
RE: MAVS NEWS: - HoosierDaddyKid - 08-26-2025
Disagree about Klay. He WAS a top-level talent. Probably the best 2-way SG at one point. But sadly, aging and injuries have diminished all that now. KF, the jury is still out on him. We'll have to see how he fares vs the NBA's best. He should and could win ROY, but it's not a lock. The rest of your assessments are spot on however.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - SleepingHero - 08-26-2025
@MavsFilmRoom
“I literally think our season will go as well as D Live and AD shooting 3s.”
Cuban on DLLS
RE: MAVS NEWS: - Jym - 08-26-2025
(08-26-2025, 01:42 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @MavsFilmRoom
“I literally think our season will go as well as D Live and AD shooting 3s.”
Cuban on DLLS
I tend to agree
Mainly from DLIve. I already have AD pencilled in at around 28 to 30%
Dlive has to be around 35% on decent volume for the 2 big scheme to have any legs
RE: MAVS NEWS: - mvossman - 08-26-2025
(08-26-2025, 01:42 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @MavsFilmRoom
“I literally think our season will go as well as D Live and AD shooting 3s.”
Cuban on DLLS
I really hope this is not true and I don't think it will be. I would rather have AD run P&R with Lively than have one of them chucking 3s at sub 30%.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - SleepingHero - 08-26-2025
(08-26-2025, 02:41 PM)mvossman Wrote: I really hope this is not true and I don't think it will be. I would rather have AD run P&R with Lively than have one of them chucking 3s at sub 30%.
I think in an IDEAL world, the Mavs hypothetically are unstoppable IF Lively and AD are good 3pt shooters.
Problem is there has been zero evidence that they CAN be. Especially AD, who for his entire career has been a horrible 3pt shooter. He tries to keep teams honest, but truthfully he's one of the best paint finishers in league history. I think he's close to 77% for his entire career for FG's around 3ft. 70% for anywhere in the paint. Essentially an automatic bucket, and a wasted possession every time he takes a shot outside the paint.
Lively I am more hopeful on. Mavs have teased us for 3 years now that he can shoot. This is how I look every time a Mavs member mentions Lively's shooting:
![[Image: well-waiting.gif]](https://media1.tenor.com/m/fyylSNGrZ80AAAAd/well-waiting.gif)
Perhaps Lively can be that 40% 3pt shooter (hell I'd take league average). All we need is 1 so we can run a 5 out offense.
Mavs are ready to take a risk. Big risk for a big reward though. If it doesnt work in the first 15-20 games I hope Kidd quickly pivots to what does work.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - mvossman - 08-26-2025
(08-26-2025, 04:07 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I think in an IDEAL world, the Mavs hypothetically are unstoppable IF Lively and AD are good 3pt shooters.
Problem is there has been zero evidence that they CAN be. Especially AD, who for his entire career has been a horrible 3pt shooter. He tries to keep teams honest, but truthfully he's one of the best paint finishers in league history. I think he's close to 77% for his entire career for FG's around 3ft. 70% for anywhere in the paint. Essentially an automatic bucket, and a wasted possession every time he takes a shot outside the paint.
Lively I am more hopeful on. Mavs have teased us for 3 years now that he can shoot. This is how I look every time a Mavs member mentions Lively's shooting:
Perhaps Lively can be that 40% 3pt shooter (hell I'd take league average). All we need is 1 so we can run a 5 out offense.
Mavs are ready to take a risk. Big risk for a big reward though. If it doesnt work in the first 15-20 games I hope Kidd quickly pivots to what does work.
My memory may be failing me, but didn't we go down this route for a while with Powell? It seemed like there were multiple seasons in a row where they talked about it, but then gave up very quickly in actual execution.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - SleepingHero - 08-26-2025
@MavsFilmRoom
Mark Cuban on the DLLS Mavs show
“I don’t regret selling the team, I regret how I did it.”
Stein asked what would you change
Cuban: “I would have put it out to bid
RE: MAVS NEWS: - SleepingHero - 08-26-2025
(08-26-2025, 04:37 PM)mvossman Wrote: My memory may be failing me, but didn't we go down this route for a while with Powell? It seemed like there were multiple seasons in a row where they talked about it, but then gave up very quickly in actual execution.
Your memory isn't failing you I don't think. The Mavs did at least TRY to make Powell a stretch big man. Carlisle definitely made it a point to get him to shoot threes. Especially during the tanking years. But they did not give up quickly. Powell shot threes pretty routinely for a ~20mpg guy right up until his achilles tear. 4 years of consistent 3pt shot taking. Not so much shot making.
Did it succeed? No. Powell never was that good at range like we know. And his rim rolling ability just far outweighed anything else he did on the court. His best season was a paltry league average 35% and on very little volume.
Now with Lively we have yet to see him even take a consistent amount of threes. I want to see it. It has yet to happen. We're all waiting!
RE: MAVS NEWS: - SleepingHero - 08-26-2025
@KevinGraySports
Mavericks minority owner Mark Cuban was very direct today when I asked him about his relationship with GM Nico Harrison…
His answer tells you all you need to know:
https://x.com/KevinGraySports/status/1960425755302879552
@TravisRW
Nico Harrison isn't on speaking terms with the guy who still owns 27% of the team.
He also wasn't on speaking terms with the franchise superstar.
He mostly avoids the media and has to hide in the tunnel during home games.
Why, again, is he still the GM?
RE: MAVS NEWS: - michaeltex - 08-27-2025
(08-26-2025, 09:58 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Your memory isn't failing you I don't think. The Mavs did at least TRY to make Powell a stretch big man. Carlisle definitely made it a point to get him to shoot threes. Especially during the tanking years. But they did not give up quickly. Powell shot threes pretty routinely for a ~20mpg guy right up until his achilles tear. 4 years of consistent 3pt shot taking. Not so much shot making.
Did it succeed? No. Powell never was that good at range like we know. And his rim rolling ability just far outweighed anything else he did on the court. His best season was a paltry league average 35% and on very little volume.
Now with Lively we have yet to see him even take a consistent amount of threes. I want to see it. It has yet to happen. We're all waiting!
Until Lively got drafted, the Mavs were a big bagel, mostly good stuff but with a hole in the middle. DLive was brought in to plug that hole. Then Gaff was acquired to fortify the position. Add in AD and it is now a position of strength. My point is that Lively, although he wowed scouts at the draft combine with 3pt shooting, has never been in a position to move outside to take the shot. He primarily functioned as a lob candidate for Luka, a short roll distributor and a rebound getter on both ends. With AD, in theory, he could move outside on offense while leaving AD the inside duties. Not a bad concept with other bigs like Webby and Holmgren taking shots now. 7'2" guy taking shots on the perimeter is damned hard to defend.
BTW, the Powell experiment was sooo ugly I had purged it from memory. DP has always brought energy but when he was the "best" option for a starting center a few years back, I knew the team was in trouble. Now his best contribution is as a community outreach guy.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - Smitty - 08-27-2025
@TheSteinLine
The Mavericks have ramped up their efforts to create the needed roster space to complete the signing of Dante Exum, sources tell
@JakeLFischer and me.
The push has focused on finding a new home via trade for Olivier-Maxence Prosper.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - mvossman - 08-27-2025
(08-27-2025, 09:59 AM)Smitty Wrote: @TheSteinLine
The Mavericks have ramped up their efforts to create the needed roster space to complete the signing of Dante Exum, sources tell
@JakeLFischer and me.
The push has focused on finding a new home via trade for Olivier-Maxence Prosper.
Makes sense. He is probably best chance to not give up an asset (or stretch waive). I'm not convinced Williams is worth either option. What was the time limit on him? Around the same time as PJ extension, right?
RE: MAVS NEWS: - KillerLeft - 08-27-2025
(08-27-2025, 10:04 AM)mvossman Wrote: Makes sense. He is probably best chance to not give up an asset (or stretch waive). I'm not convinced Williams is worth either option. What was the time limit on him? Around the same time as PJ extension, right?
This is a question for me, too.
If it's a simple dumping of O-Max in order to sign Exum and keep Williams, that's my preference for sure. But, if it's going to take an attached asset to get it done, even if it's just a 2nd round pick, I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer just waiving Williams' non-guaranteed contract. I think that O-Max and a 2nd MIGHT still be the best way to go, but I'm much less confident about that.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - F Gump - 08-27-2025
(08-27-2025, 10:14 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: This is a question for me, too.
If it's a simple dumping of O-Max in order to sign Exum and keep Williams, that's my preference for sure. But, if it's going to take an attached asset to get it done, even if it's just a 2nd round pick, I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer just waiving Williams' non-guaranteed contract. I think that O-Max and a 2nd MIGHT still be the best way to go, but I'm much less confident about that.
I think BW is better than than a throwaway and should be a goal to keep AND use (because I think he will be very useful). Just my 2c.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - RoyTarpleysGhost - 08-27-2025
I'd rather keep Brandon Williams even if it takes a 2nd to dump Omax. Everyone knows my position that our guard group is trash and I can see scenarios where Brandon Williams is getting significant minutes.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - Chicagojk - 08-27-2025
[Markazi] The Luka Doncic Overwatch signage in Dallas wasn’t without controversy from the Mavericks side apparently. According to sources, Mavericks ownership made them move the original location of the billboard. They felt that it was too close to the arena. They weren’t happy.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - Chicagojk - 08-28-2025
So they may need to waive and stretch? That would be disappointing
Jake Fischer reports that a resolution on finding a new home for O-Max Prosper or Jaden Hardy is expected to happen by 5 PM ET tomorrow.
Reason being that is the deadline to waive-and-stretch contacts, which is what the Mavs may ultimately have to do with Prosper or Hardy…
RE: MAVS NEWS: - Ghost of Podkolzin - 08-28-2025
(08-28-2025, 12:03 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: So they may need to waive and stretch? That would be disappointing
Jake Fischer reports that a resolution on finding a new home for O-Max Prosper or Jaden Hardy is expected to happen by 5 PM ET tomorrow.
Reason being that is the deadline to waive-and-stretch contacts, which is what the Mavs may ultimately have to do with Prosper or Hardy…
Ready to move on from Hardy and OMax. To think they chose these two spares over Grimes is franchise criminal neglect.
From the time I saw OMax on the court with NBA starters I knew he wasn't an NBA player. He's an athlete, not a basketball player. There's a disconnect between his athleticism and lack of basketball IQ. He looks like a baby giraffe on roller skates out there. So much unnecessary movement and action.
Hardy I'm surprised never developed any sort of distribution or defense. He is a shooter and could have a role on a team that needs empty points and a warm roster body. Unfortunately, the Mavs ain't it.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - SleepingHero - 08-28-2025
(08-28-2025, 12:03 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: So they may need to waive and stretch? That would be disappointing
Jake Fischer reports that a resolution on finding a new home for O-Max Prosper or Jaden Hardy is expected to happen by 5 PM ET tomorrow.
Reason being that is the deadline to waive-and-stretch contacts, which is what the Mavs may ultimately have to do with Prosper or Hardy…
I think its very indicative of how luxurious cap space has become and even small contracts that are perceived as dead weight are essentially useless.
I'd rather they waive Brandon Williams, who while I really like, I do not think he's worth eating 5 years of Hardy or 5 years of OMax. That's the simplest method to avoid all of this.
But if they must, of course I prefer a trade. Hardy being the first option then OMax. But if they really can't do either? I mean heck is Exum even worth this?