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RE: MAVS NEWS: - KillerLeft - 07-01-2025
(07-01-2025, 10:28 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: If Brad Beal gets bought out AND he would like to come to the Mavs on a buyout, do the Mavs want him?
Can't speak for the Mavs, but I certainly don't.
Honestly, if they're not going to trade Gafford and/or PJW for someone real, I'm just hopeful they can add Exum and go to war.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - Knutsen - 07-01-2025
(07-01-2025, 09:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't know, man. It sounds good in some ways, but he'll be 35, coming off of an Achilles injury. And, I really don't think he and Kyrie can play together, do you?
I mean, if it's a TWO YEAR DEAL (not a 1+1 that he can opt out of if his rehab is going well) at the MINIMUM, you have to do it, but I think some desperate team is going to do better than that, and the Mavs literally can't. They'd have to dump a player (easier said than done) just to offer him a minimum, and we already think they need to do that in order to sign Exum to help THIS season.
What are the stretch provision specific rules for these next two seasons - is anything he earns additive to the big Bucks (pun intended) he‘ll get from Milwaukee or does it just lower the bill of the Bucks and Lillard gets the same money no matter if he signs a minimum deal or a bigger contract?
RE: MAVS NEWS: - KillerLeft - 07-01-2025
(07-01-2025, 10:33 PM)Knutsen Wrote: What are the stretch provision specific rules for these next two seasons - is anything he earns additive to the big Bucks (pun intended) he‘ll get from Milwaukee or does it just lower the bill of the Bucks and Lillard gets the same money no matter if he signs a minimum deal or a bigger contract?
Good question. I think it's the latter, but I'm not the cap rules guy around here at all. Dan or FGump or Smitty or SH probably know.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - SleepingHero - 07-01-2025
(07-01-2025, 10:33 PM)Knutsen Wrote: What are the stretch provision specific rules for these next two seasons - is anything he earns additive to the big Bucks (pun intended) he‘ll get from Milwaukee or does it just lower the bill of the Bucks and Lillard gets the same money no matter if he signs a minimum deal or a bigger contract?
1) Yes. Lillard's money will be additive. He signed a guaranteed contract, so he will be given ALL the money he signed for. If this was a buyout, that'd be a different story. But even if Lillard signed elsewhere, the money he gets from the Bucks will remain.
And 2) As I understand it. Yes, this does affect the cap-charge the Bucks would be affected by if Lillard signed elsewhere, but it won't be by much.
There is a rule called "Set-Off" in the CBA. Before we begin, the Set-Off only affects how much the waiving team pays the player. It DOES NOT reduce the cap hit, UNLESS this waived player was also stretched. And finally, it only can apply to guaranteed money (obviously right? Because if it was non-guaranteed, it never counted in the first place!).
Okay so the formula for the "set-off" provision is as follows: 50% of the DIFFERENCE between the waived player's new salary and the minimum salary, but only if the NEW salary exceeds the minimum (e.g., if Dame signs elsewhere for the vet min, this provision does not apply).
Now the "set-off" provision when applied to a stretched-waived player affects the total guaranteed salary he was waived for, not the per-year cap hit the Bucks are paying.
Right, so, the Bucks waived $112,583,016 of the last 2 years of Dame's contract. With the stretch-waive, we take 2 years left X 2= 4 + 1= 5 years cap charge. Thus this 112 mil over 5 years works out to be $22,516,603. That is the per year cap charge of dead money the Bucks will be paying.
Now for the set off:
Lets say Lillard signs elsewhere for 10mil starting salary. The formula for the setoff is 50% the difference between the new salary and Lillard's minimum. So 10mil-3.6mil(vet min)= 6.4. Now we divide that by 2 which gives us 3.2 mil.
Thus the "set-off" applied will be 3.2 mil to the TOTAL amount waived by the Bucks. Which brings the new S/W number to $109,383,016.
Now we re-apply the S/W calculation: 109/5 gives us a new cap charge of $21,876,603. This means the Bucks will save a whopping 640k a year.
So yes, there will be a reduction, but at this scale it's basically a rounding error.
This "Set-Off" provision matters more on smaller S/W deals, such as McGee where the cap hit is 2.2 mil, but again it's nothing to really factor in. Now if Lillard signs another star level deal like 30 mil a year, now the Bucks can see some real savings (~$19,876,603 vs the current amount of $22,516,603). But that's kind of unrealistic for a 35 year old guard coming off an achilles injury.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - SleepingHero - 07-01-2025
(07-01-2025, 10:30 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Can't speak for the Mavs, but I certainly don't.
Honestly, if they're not going to trade Gafford and/or PJW for someone real, I'm just hopeful they can add Exum and go to war.
Interesting. Even if Beal were to sign a vet min deal hypothetically?
Obviously he'd be angling for an MLE level deal from somewhere, so we're already venturing into the realm of improbability. But lets ignore that and focus on just the idea of Beal coming here for a vet min deal as is.
Would we not want that? Beal sucks at almost 60mil a year. Beal in the price range of Powell/OMax/etc. is a massive steal is it not?
RE: MAVS NEWS: - mvossman - 07-02-2025
(07-01-2025, 11:55 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Interesting. Even if Beal were to sign a vet min deal hypothetically?
Obviously he'd be angling for an MLE level deal from somewhere, so we're already venturing into the realm of improbability. But lets ignore that and focus on just the idea of Beal coming here for a vet min deal as is.
Would we not want that? Beal sucks at almost 60mil a year. Beal in the price range of Powell/OMax/etc. is a massive steal is it not?
He would probably be in the ballpark of DLo (assuming his continued steady decline and Dlo bounce back). That would certainly be value at vet min, but not enough to move the needle on this teams outlook.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - RasheedsBigWhiteSpot - 07-02-2025
(07-01-2025, 10:28 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: If Brad Beal gets bought out AND he would like to come to the Mavs on a buyout, do the Mavs want him?
Hell yeah. His problem is his contract. The Mavs DESPERATELY need shooting. If you can get a 16-18+ point 3 point shooter on a vet minimum contract, YOU DO IT!!!
RE: MAVS NEWS: - DallasMaverick - 07-02-2025
(07-02-2025, 10:55 AM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: Hell yeah. His problem is his contract. The Mavs DESPERATELY need shooting. If you can get a 16-18+ point 3 point shooter on a vet minimum contract, YOU DO IT!!!
Timmy!!!
RE: MAVS NEWS: - Chicagojk - 07-02-2025
Mavs posted pictures of players working out at facility
https://x.com/dallasmavs/status/1940410448194777203/photo/4
https://x.com/dallasmavs/status/1940410469988385018
RE: MAVS NEWS: - Chicagojk - 07-02-2025
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The Dallas Mavericks announced today that they have signed first overall pick forward Cooper Flagg.
Per team policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - RasheedsBigWhiteSpot - 07-02-2025
Dinwiddie signed by Hornets. Instantly jacks up a 3.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45647470/sources-hornets-free-agent-spencer-dinwiddie-reach-deal
RE: MAVS NEWS: - FireNicoHarrison - 07-02-2025
(07-02-2025, 02:14 PM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: Dinwiddie signed by Hornets. Instantly jacks up a 3.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45647470/sources-hornets-free-agent-spencer-dinwiddie-reach-deal
Fantastic news.
One of the lowest basketball IQ in the league... D-Lo is a genius compared to him.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - FireNicoHarrison - 07-02-2025
(07-01-2025, 06:39 PM)Smitty Wrote: REPORT: The Dallas Mavericks are expected to extend Jason Kidd’s contract before the 2025-26 season begins, per @TheSteinLine
Everytime the timing is atrocius.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - FireNicoHarrison - 07-02-2025
(07-01-2025, 04:23 PM)mvossman Wrote: I really like the idea of AD at the 5, PJ at the 4 and Flagg at the 3. When Kyrie comes back at the 1, all it needs is a legit 2 way SG to be a contender. Too bad with the current roster construction its more often going to be a center.
This is a good post, i'm agree with you.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - Chicagojk - 07-02-2025
Exum back. I guess another move is tbd
Shams Charania
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Free agent guard Dante Exum has agreed to a one-year deal to return to the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell ESPN. Exum considered two other contenders but returns to Dallas to share ball-handling duties to start the season with D'Angelo Russell.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - FireNicoHarrison - 07-02-2025
(07-02-2025, 03:16 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Exum back. I guess another move is tbd
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Free agent guard Dante Exum has agreed to a one-year deal to return to the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell ESPN. Exum considered two other contenders but returns to Dallas to share ball-handling duties to start the season with D'Angelo Russell.
We need him more than Hardy and Powell for sure.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - DanSchwartzgan - 07-02-2025
I heard something I hadn't seen anywhere on ESPN clip just now. Nico signed DLo for Nike out of Ohio State 10 years ago.
Legler commented that he thought Dallas might make its BIG move next season instead of this season. Get Kyrie back, see how he is and decide what you need. Not a terrible theory.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - Jmaciscool - 07-02-2025
(07-02-2025, 03:27 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I heard something I hadn't seen anywhere on ESPN clip just now. Nico signed DLo for Nike out of Ohio State 10 years ago.
Legler commented that he thought Dallas might make its BIG move next season instead of this season. Get Kyrie back, see how he is and decide what you need. Not a terrible theory.
Makes sense to me. I'd prefer no big moves until we see what we have to know what we need.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - FireNicoHarrison - 07-02-2025
(07-02-2025, 03:27 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I heard something I hadn't seen anywhere on ESPN clip just now. Nico signed DLo for Nike out of Ohio State 10 years ago.
Legler commented that he thought Dallas might make its BIG move next season instead of this season. Get Kyrie back, see how he is and decide what you need. Not a terrible theory.
Yes, because this season we have no chances to contend.
Even Harrison knows it despite what he said... I told you guys million times. He is not stupid.
Flagg needs time and street clothes is a good Catwoman.
RE: MAVS NEWS: - KillerLeft - 07-02-2025
(07-02-2025, 03:16 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Exum back. I guess another move is tbd
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
Free agent guard Dante Exum has agreed to a one-year deal to return to the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell ESPN. Exum considered two other contenders but returns to Dallas to share ball-handling duties to start the season with D'Angelo Russell.
This is pretty huge.
I hope it's not just a simple waiving of Williams, and there's something better coming to clear the way (without involving a pick).