(06-06-2024, 02:24 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Which means Green, THJ, and the 2025 pick are all available to be moved to make space for him.

(06-06-2024, 02:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: But yes, SOMEONE this board likes is probably not going to be here next year, it’s pretty easy to see that coming.

(06-06-2024, 01:42 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: He's said this a dozen times now in different settings.  Even though it is exactly what I'd tell him to say if I were his agent, I believe he is sincere.  Of course, everything depends on the definition of getting "everything situated".  That qualifier is just as important (maybe more so) than the part about loving Dallas.

People tend to forget that he's had an MLE level deal in the past.  I suspect he isn't gunning for 40% of an MLE deal.  We don't have to get anything 'situated' to offer that.  It is going to take us opening up space.  We already pay several guys who are 5th-8th in the rotation in this range including Green, Gafford and Maxi.  No way DJJ takes $5mm or even $7mm.  I don't see it being less than $9mm and very likely it s the full $12.9mm

(06-06-2024, 02:51 PM)Smitty Wrote: Who on this board still likes Tim Hardaway Jr.?

(06-06-2024, 03:06 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not the point. I’m talking about Green, Gafford, or even Kleber. Pretty sure you knew that before you took your shot at Hardaway, so I assume that was just to make fun of me. 

I will go ahead and give you what you want and say that yes, I still believe in Hardaway. I would prefer to have him on the team than Green, for example, not because I don’t like green, but because I still value what I believe Hardaway can do, and what he DID do during the first half of this past season.

But, it is beyond obvious that he is on his way out at this point, so there’s just nothing to be gained by discussing it anymore. The obvious point is that Hardaway will be gone, but it’s seeming increasingly likely to me that another of those guys will be gone, too, which was the entire point made, but you knew that, of course.

(06-06-2024, 03:06 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not the point. I’m talking about Green, Gafford, or even Kleber. Pretty sure you knew that before you took your shot at Hardaway, so I assume that was just to make fun of me. 

I will go ahead and give you what you want and say that yes, I still believe in Hardaway. I would prefer to have him on the team than Green, for example, not because I don’t like green, but because I still value what I believe Hardaway can do, and what he DID do during the first half of this past season.

But, it is beyond obvious that he is on his way out at this point, so there’s just nothing to be gained by discussing it anymore. The obvious point is that Hardaway will be gone, but it’s seeming increasingly likely to me that another of those guys will be gone, too, which was the entire point made, but you knew that, of course.

(06-06-2024, 03:17 PM)mvossman Wrote: I guess the question is why do you think someone else will likely be gone?  Do you think it will cost too much to dump Timmy so we will need to trade him with an asset for another player?

(06-06-2024, 02:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Technically, you could add Gafford and Kleber to that list. But yes, SOMEONE this board likes is probably not going to be here next year, it’s pretty easy to see that coming. Remember, they might come out of this experience thinking they need to retain Jones Jr AND improve in one more area. Hopefully, getting him locked up and depending on internal development from guys like Hardy and O-Max will be enough, but who knows what they’re thinking. 

Luka, Kyrie, Washington and Lively aren’t going anywhere. The salary has to come from somewhere.

(06-06-2024, 03:19 PM)Smitty Wrote: I just disagree with your point. I’m not picking on you. You’ve said for a week plus that SOMEONE other than, or in addition to, Tim Hardaway Jr is likely to be gone. I don’t see how the Mavs could feel that way with what they’re building or how that could be the logical assumption by any fan. Other than to be different or pessimistic.

If the Mavs traded for Gafford, made it to the Finals (won the finals) how could anyone say that the next move is to trade him to clear space for DJJ?

If the Mavs just extended Josh Green and made it to the Finals (won the finals) how could anyone say that the next move is to trade him to clear space for DJJ?

I think you added Maxi in this group for salary reasons also but how can anyone think the Mavs are willing to trade him and his important role (every team in the NBA is trying to find a Maxi) to clear space for DJJ?

It’s not that those CAN’T happen but your previous post was that one of those things is extremely likely.

(06-06-2024, 03:25 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well, it’s a pretty disingenuous way to disagree with my point, don’t you think? If you knew ahead of time what I meant, why strawman it to be about Hardaway? Kind of makes me assume you are being a jerk, frankly. Willful misinterpretation is probably the easiest way to be difficult on an Internet forum. I have a pretty good idea of when I’m being messed with 

You called me the loudest voice here the other day. That was a shot, and extremely untrue. It’s pretty clear that there’s something I am doing that bothers you, so why not just put me on ignore and be done with it? If you feel compelled to respond in such a way as to illicit a negative response, I guess that’s your prerogative. Not sure I really get it though.

(06-06-2024, 03:19 PM)Smitty Wrote: If the Mavs traded for Gafford, made it to the Finals (won the finals) how could anyone say that the next move is to trade him to clear space for DJJ?

If the Mavs just extended Josh Green and made it to the Finals (won the finals) how could anyone say that the next move is to trade him to clear space for DJJ?

I think you added Maxi in this group for salary reasons also but how can anyone think the Mavs are willing to trade him and his important role (every team in the NBA is trying to find a Maxi) to clear space for DJJ?

It’s not that those CAN’T happen but your previous post was that one of those things is extremely likely.

(06-06-2024, 03:29 PM)Smitty Wrote: Again, you take things personally for some reason. The loudest voice comment was because you have 15K+ posts here and are one of the main reasons this board is still as active as it is. It was a compliment. I’ve told you more times than I can count that I almost always agree with your posts. And when I don’t, somehow you always take it personal?

(06-06-2024, 03:19 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If I wanted to play the way I feel like Kidd wants to play, I would want ANOTHER Washington/DJJ type. If you can get a better one, great, but even if the new guy is the third best of that group, it helps the rotation tremendously. This is why I jumped on FGump’s DFS idea the other day. I don’t really care if it’s him, specifically, but I actually think that is the type of player they’ll want to add. Another long, rangey defender. Another guy who can catch and shoot. Another guy who can floor the ball on a closeout. Another guy who is dangerous in transition. Another guy who can play multiple positions. Another guy who knows his role and plays it without complaining.

(06-06-2024, 03:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I am 99.9% sure that the “who’s here still likes Hardaway” comment was you taking the entire conversation personally, And I still feel that right now as I’m pressing post on this one. I’m still gonna feel like that tomorrow. You don’t want me to take things personally, don’t get personal.

(06-06-2024, 03:35 PM)Tyler Wrote: Luckily, that guy is already on the roster. His name is OMax. And I think he's going to have a pretty good role next year as a PJ/DJJ backup.

(06-06-2024, 03:06 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not the point. I’m talking about Green, Gafford, or even Kleber. Pretty sure you knew that before you took your shot at Hardaway, so I assume that was just to make fun of me. 

I will go ahead and give you what you want and say that yes, I still believe in Hardaway. I would prefer to have him on the team than Green, for example, not because I don’t like green, but because I still value what I believe Hardaway can do, and what he DID do during the first half of this past season.

But, it is beyond obvious that he is on his way out at this point, so there’s just nothing to be gained by discussing it anymore. The obvious point is that Hardaway will be gone, but it’s seeming increasingly likely to me that another of those guys will be gone, too, which was the entire point made, but you knew that, of course.

(06-06-2024, 03:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I am 99.9% sure that the “who here still likes Hardaway” comment was you taking the entire conversation personally, And I still feel that right now as I’m pressing post on this one. I’m still gonna feel like that tomorrow. You don’t want me to take things personally, don’t get personal.

(06-06-2024, 03:48 PM)F Gump Wrote: No way Gafford is on the table, regardless of how much you keep talking him down. I doubt Kleber is either, despite his injury stints, because he's so valuable (and essentially irreplaceable) when he's healthy.