(06-10-2025, 10:26 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Man, if Kidd leaves, Nico can't be far behind right?  i mean he should be gone.  Sort of late to make a move now, but it needs to be considered.  Dumont has a chance to do a complete reset whether they keep AD or not.  Get rid of Nico and it is all parades for the next several years.  The Luka trade gets pinned on Nico and the new GM can focus buidling the next contender.  He will have a open runway for a few years and it would be a fun spot to be in.  Where we are currently is the GM is afraid to speak/show himself, and I have no idea how that gets better.  Every time you see him, it creates a negative reaction of the guy who broke the fan trust and traded their adopted son.  Does that ever get better?

(06-10-2025, 11:19 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: I think Kidd likes his job, gets along well with Nico, and likes his team.

One could make a case that they are much better positioned to win than the Knicks right now, and into the future.

And, I don't think Nico's job is in jeopardy yet.  Dumont needs to see the long-term results of his moves. If the team is a consistent 50-game winner, and competes well in the playoffs, I don't see a change coming.

I don't get the sense that Dumont or Nico is a go-for-broke win-now kind of owner or GM.  Long-term consistency, stability more important.

We'll see.

(06-10-2025, 11:15 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: What is Kidd's contract situation?  I honestly don't know. Is he up for an extension? He could be using NY as leverage to get one.

(06-10-2025, 01:04 AM)F Gump Wrote: I really disagree on this ^ thesis. 

I don't think Kidd (or ANY smart coach) -- nor any smart player, either -- should or would shut the door on teams who are interested in their services. Players and coaches alike are always one impulsive (maybe even stupid) management decision away from looking for their next job, and are smart to let interested people remain interested. No need to comment, just let it sit out there without commenting, because the fact that teams are interested in you is in your best interest for every team to know. Kidd has had to look for a new job before and has learned how it works. So we should not expect him to shut it down when it happens, to work against his own self interest.

In addition, Kidd can't actually speak to NY's interest (or his own) when there hasn't even been a public expression of interest by NY, nor a formal request to talk to him. 

At its core, this was actually a NY attempt to tamper via the media. Then that NY media swirled the waters, with it being further stirred by the usual like Windy who are long on comments and short on actual info beyond their own opinions on what makes sense. They will keep it alive until NY finds a coach not named Kidd.

If the Mavs GM had a clue on handling such things (sadly, he does not), he would gotten out in front of it, by either lodging a tampering complaint, or engaging NY aggressively in trade talks. His pathetically late and tepid response has done neither -- yet another blunder by the idiot GM making their decisions. If I'm a Mavs player, the continuous lack of effective FO leadership is unsettling.

Which is yet another reminder -- Nico's gotta go.

(06-10-2025, 08:25 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think the possible interest is Giannis related.  Everyone is looking for a leg up.  Kidd as coach is perceived to be a benefit to NY.  Atlanta is holding open their President of Basketball Operations position and GA's agent is a leading candidate.  Who knows what else is going on behind the scenes.

BTW, I wonder if any of the Giannis losers might get aggressive in an offer for AD.  It won't happen, but if one wants to dream, it seems like fertile ground for finding a possible deal.

(06-10-2025, 02:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: This. 

Kidd's name was leaked not only because of his relationship with Brunson, but also, and maybe even MORE SO because of his relationship with Giannis. The play is to get Giannis to want to play in NY, which would make crafting a deal to trade for him much more plausible. 

From Kidd's POV, I can also see how the possibility of coaching both Brunson and Giannis in NY might have some allure, so maybe he's not killing it for that same reason - waiting to see what Giannis thinks about it. 

I hadn't heard anyone connect those dots before your post, but it makes all the sense in the world. A team without a PG is not a contender, and there's just no way Jason Kidd doesn't know that.

(06-10-2025, 03:07 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Wait, does Giannis have a high opinion of Kidd?  Kidd flamed out big in MIL.  I was thinking the opposite.  If NYK get Kidd it means their Giannis aspirations are over.

(06-10-2025, 03:11 PM)cow Wrote: Giannis has always credited Kidd with his development.  The Bucks wanted Kidd gone more so than Giannis.

(06-10-2025, 02:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: This. 

Kidd's name was leaked not only because of his relationship with Brunson, but also, and maybe even MORE SO because of his relationship with Giannis. The play is to get Giannis to want to play in NY, which would make crafting a deal to trade for him much more plausible. 

From Kidd's POV, I can also see how the possibility of coaching both Brunson and Giannis in NY might have some allure, so maybe he's not killing it for that same reason - waiting to see what Giannis thinks about it. 

I hadn't heard anyone connect those dots before your post, but it makes all the sense in the world. A team without a PG is not a contender, and there's just no way Jason Kidd doesn't know that.

(06-10-2025, 03:58 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think Milwaukee is smart to let this thing get closer to the draft.  It might be quite the free-for-all the final day or two.  Meanwhile, teams are dropping (not so) subtle hints through the media that they are open for business.  BTW, I think it is wrong to say Milwaukee wants this guy or that guy or this many picks from NY (or anyone else).  There isn't anyone on NY or any pick from another team that fixes the Bucks.  

The better question is what does New Orleans (and to a lesser extent) Portland want.  They control Milwaukee's draft.  With Lillard out and GA gone, the Bucks need to tear it down.  The Pelicans also want to be bad next season.  Swap rights with Milwaukee is just more ping pong balls for them.  It isn't a second asset.  But, releasing those rights could create a second asset.

NY would do itself a favor by getting under the first apron first before it does anything.  I'll point out that Mitchell is from Louisiana and fits in a $13mm TPE they have.   I'm not saying Mitchell is worth releasing the swap rights at all.  I'm just saying Mitchell to NO might be part of a larger deal that also helps NY start the process as a non-apron team.  I could see this thing (whether NY, Atlanta, Toronto or whoever) being a massive massive deal as teams try to deal with apron-omics and satisfying the needs of multiple parties to get Milwaukee's swap rights back.

(06-10-2025, 03:45 PM)michaeltex Wrote: Kidd has a checkered coaching history. His first job was the Nets where he tried to foment a management overthrow for his own benefit. The fallout from that drove him to MKE, where he improved the team and the record, but got a reputation as a hard ass (remember midnight practices after an away game loss, over a holiday). A stint on the LALs bench staff seemed to mellow him a bit, so that he was more palatable to Cuban when the DAL HC position suddenly became available.

4 years and 2 WCF + an NBA Finals isn't bad considering the injury armageddon last season (fortuitously) just missed the POs by one game.

(06-10-2025, 04:53 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Yes!  Pierce, KG, and Terry all wanted to kick his ass.  He put Larry Sanders in the hospital.  I thought he was doing the same here with C.Wood, but it turns out he was actually a POS.

Kidd will become toxic at some point.  This dates back to HS.  He's been a coach killer since college.  The dude can't sustain relationships.

This is all the reason in the world to sell high.

(06-10-2025, 05:17 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Most humans tend to learn from their mistakes, especially if the consequences are painful.

So far, Kidd seems to not be repeating some of his earlier gaffes.