(06-27-2024, 10:06 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think this puts way too much emphasis on counting-style stats, and not enough on role/fit/playstyle, whatever. The Mavs are looking for a specific type of player to do specific things.

I agree with you that Hardy is a great prospect, but I think it’s also disingenuous to prioritize how good a prospect is over something that could conceivably help your team right now. You and I can be big Hardy fans, and we are, but to this point, he has not even been a rotation player here. If they trade for Grimes, they will obviously view him as such right out of the gate.

I’m not TRYING to move Hardy for anybody, if it’s up to me. I can tell you that I would rather include Hardy in any deal than an unprotected first in 2031.

(06-27-2024, 10:06 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think this puts way too much emphasis on counting-style stats, and not enough on role/fit/playstyle, whatever. The Mavs are looking for a specific type of player to do specific things.

I agree with you that Hardy is a great prospect, but I think it’s also disingenuous to prioritize how good a prospect is over something that could conceivably help your team right now. You and I can be big Hardy fans, and we are, but to this point, he has not even been a rotation player here. If they trade for Grimes, they will obviously view him as such right out of the gate.

I’m not TRYING to move Hardy for anybody, if it’s up to me. I can tell you that I would rather include Hardy in any deal than an unprotected first in 2031.

(06-27-2024, 08:18 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I still see a path potentially with Atlanta.  If they trade Trae or Murray, they could use Green.  If they want to clean the books a bit, THJ for Bogdan B. makes sense.  AJ Griffin appears to be out of their rotation and makes that same $4mm-ish that Grimes makes.  It doesn't quite get you to the NT MLE, but it may get you close enough.  Griffin probably isn't as good as Grimes, but you are getting Bogdan, who solves quite a few things for us.

(06-27-2024, 10:35 AM)omahen Wrote: I am not so sure about Bogdan. He is a very good player, but I have my doubts Mavs will be able to play him next to both Luka and Kyrie when things matter most. He is not a good enough defender.

From Atlanta perspective, he is a great 6th man for them. I think these are the players that will be dealt before they get to Bogi, unless they get a really good offer: Capela, Murray (or Trae or even both), Hunter. From there it depends a lot what players and salary will be going back their way

(06-27-2024, 10:51 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: serious question....I think it is smart for Detroit to look to take on contracts for assets.  My question is who is out there who is such a bad contract that they would offer a future first?  I think it is easier said than done.  With contracts being shorter and picks being viewed as super valuable now, who is giving up a pick for a year or two of players contract?  Can anyone give me examples of names?  I mean Ben Simmons but he is not an expiring and doesn't need to be moved.  Lonzo ball?  Isn't he expiring?

(06-27-2024, 10:49 AM)Smitty Wrote: I was thinking more about the move after a potential THJ for Grimes+DJJ deal.
Let’s say Mavs do nothing else except the Tim for Grimes deal. There’s a log jam at guard IMO.
Luka | Exum
Kai | Grimes | Green | Hardy | Lawson
DJJ | Omax
PJW | Maxi | Morris
Lively | Gafford | Powell
I’m aware that Green and/or Grimes would play some 3 but I put them in their natural/preferred position.
To me the weakest spot is starting 3. DJJ is preferably a bench guy.
I’m willing to use Green, Hardy, Maxi and Powell to get a starting 3. Those 4 combine for ~30M
Does Green+Maxi+Hardy for Hunter+Griffin make sense for both teams?
Luka | Exum
Kai | Grimes | Lawson
Hunter | DJJ | Griffin
PJW | Omax | Morris
Lively | Gafford | Powell

(06-27-2024, 11:02 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Most candidates play on their tanking rivals. Teams like the Wizards, Hornets or Jazz won't give up assets to move Poole, Bertans. Holmes or Collins. 
Maybe the Warriors. Wiggins and Green combine for 50m with three years left on their contracts.  Or the Lakers. Russell and Hachimura are making 17+ million each. But they cannot really afford to give up picks.

(06-27-2024, 11:05 AM)F Gump Wrote: "Does Green+Maxi+Hardy for Hunter+Griffin make sense for both teams?"... IMO No. They are more expensive than Green-Hardy, but not really a solution. They would be overpriced backups here imo.

Also I don't think the Mavs lack 3s. Based on how they opt to use them, the Mavs have ...

Luka, Exum
Kyrie, Hardy
DJJ, Green
PFW, Maxi, Omax
Lively, Gafford, Powell

We've seen nothing in the way they have been used this year to suggest that OMax is a 3, or that Green isn't.

(I see no reason to include Lawson because he's just a NG project player whose continued presence seems unlikely, nor Morris whose role (if he even returns) is really NOT as a player.)

(06-27-2024, 10:19 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I can´t say that I see how Grimes had a better 2023/2024 season than Hardy. All of Grimes hype/momentum was based on his 2nd year performance with 66 starts for the Knicks. I liked that Grimes a lot. I just didn´t see that Grimes last year and his contract is coming up, too. I just don´t want to trade Hardy now without giving him a proper minutes run off the ball first. Ultimately it comes down to what the Pistons think of Grimes value. Based on his actual production in Detroit alone, they´d probably give us an asset in a straight swap.

(06-27-2024, 10:55 AM)juanc Wrote: Am I the only one here who think that Hardy is about to have a breakout year this year. The Mavs wanted hin to make strides as a playmaker and it clearly paid dividends IMO. I think he is the bench scorer we are looking for.

(06-27-2024, 10:55 AM)juanc Wrote: Am I the only one here who think that Hardy is about to have a breakout year this year. The Mavs wanted hin to make strides as a playmaker and it clearly paid dividends IMO. I think he is the bench scorer we are looking for.

(06-27-2024, 11:37 AM)Jym Wrote: Green SHOULD be the closest. Put him on a crap team and I bet her averages 15+ ppg on really nice percentages and we'd all be trying to trade for him

(06-27-2024, 11:08 AM)Luka77 Wrote: I don't see the fascination with Grant.  Yes he is a talent upgrade but he way over paid on a long term deal, isn't a POA defender and more importantly hardly ever plays. 

I wont go into the salary aspect bc that is well known but adding his salary basically locks in that roster for the foreseeable future.
Something I dont see as postive if he doesnt work out.

Moreover, how does Grant fit into the starting lineup with PJW when neither one of those guys is a point of attack defender?

Also the most important aspect is Grant has averaged 54 games played over the last four years.  That's KP territory level of availability. If he isn't available the talent he brings is useless.