(07-16-2022, 01:29 PM)cow Wrote: I'm still not sure what to think of the mid-tier contracts.  I think I'd rather just have max deals (Luka), bargain deals (DFS, Maxi, Bullock) and low end veteran deals (McGee) than I would mid level deals (THJ, Brunson) but that's in an ideal world with options and Mavs usually don't have a lot of those.

(07-16-2022, 01:59 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I don´t get the line of thinking.

You overpay Powell and McGee by a combined $8M per year, that means you can give Brunson $28M a year and you still have the same outcome.

You have a chance that a 25 year old Brunson elevates his game to another level and earn his "overpay". There is no way Powell or McGee were EVER living up to their contract, the moment they signed it.

Overpaying for minimum level players with NO upside is the absolute worst.

(07-16-2022, 01:29 PM)cow Wrote: The problem as I see it is that NBA front offices tend to chase trends and you'll get overpays on positions or skillsets that quickly become regrettable.  Most recently it happened with one dimensional shooters (Bertans, Harris, Robinson) because NBA offense became all about the three.  Oddly enough we bucked that trend with Curry only to trade him away and later end up with one of those horrible contracts.  You can also get the perfect storm of a large salary cap bump and severely average players getting massive paydays off of a career year.  Look at our very own Ian Mahimni and contracts signed around the same time as the perfect example  

With JB, you probably want to err on the side of an overpay for a lot of reasons.  Even if his upside is limited, he's not one dimensional and he always puts the work in to improve and then improves.  And as we saw, the likelihood of a return on our investment in him was slim to none and of course we got none.  Dallas typically has to outbid teams in dollars or years (McGee) to get them here.  

I posted about this before but I'm still not sure what to think of the mid-tier contracts.  I think I'd rather just have max deals (Luka), bargain deals (DFS, Maxi, Bullock) and low end veteran deals (McGee) than I would mid level deals (THJ, Brunson) but that's in an ideal world with options and Mavs usually don't have a lot of those.

(07-16-2022, 03:26 PM)mvossman Wrote: I agree with this to an extent, but its hard to find enough offense under that model.  Guys that can get you 15 or more a game are going to cost mid-tier money.  There are also a scarcity of max contracts and some are not much better than mid-tier (Tobias, KP, Hayward).  Unless you can get three legit maxes, you are probably going to have to go with one or two of the mid tier guys.  What I will say, is that your mid tier contracts should not be guys that cannot create at a high level for themselves or others.  Guys like Timmy, Fournier, Powell are not the kind of player you want to spend mid tier money on.  Somebody like Dinwiddie who can score and distribution at a high level, or Wood who can create for himself make more sense.

(07-16-2022, 01:29 PM)cow Wrote: The problem as I see it is that NBA front offices tend to chase trends and you'll get overpays on positions or skillsets that quickly become regrettable.  Most recently it happened with one dimensional shooters (Bertans, Harris, Robinson) because NBA offense became all about the three.  Oddly enough we bucked that trend with Curry only to trade him away and later end up with one of those horrible contracts.  You can also get the perfect storm of a large salary cap bump and severely average players getting massive paydays off of a career year.  Look at our very own Ian Mahimni and contracts signed around the same time as the perfect example  

With JB, you probably want to err on the side of an overpay for a lot of reasons.  Even if his upside is limited, he's not one dimensional and he always puts the work in to improve and then improves.  And as we saw, the likelihood of a return on our investment in him was slim to none and of course we got none.  Dallas typically has to outbid teams in dollars or years (McGee) to get them here.  

I posted about this before but I'm still not sure what to think of the mid-tier contracts.  I think I'd rather just have max deals (Luka), bargain deals (DFS, Maxi, Bullock) and low end veteran deals (McGee) than I would mid level deals (THJ, Brunson) but that's in an ideal world with options and Mavs usually don't have a lot of those.

(07-16-2022, 04:26 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: The issue with Cuban though is that he is neither here nor there. He still thinks of himself as a big spender and that is why a neophyte GM was hired purely to recruit another star.  The correct thing would have been to hire a GM who can identify bargains and talent and grind behind the scenes. However that is not appealing to Cuban. So the franchise too is neither here nor there. That’s what has been happening since our title.

(07-17-2022, 07:50 AM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/nbabet/status/1548409404482940930

Last year the Vegas line was 48.5 wins....down 1 win to 47.5 wins right now and 7th in the West.

(07-17-2022, 08:22 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Kinda early for these forecasts, especially when the Durant, Mitchell, Irving drama hasn't been settled.

(07-17-2022, 07:50 AM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/nbabet/status/1548409404482940930

Last year the Vegas line was 48.5 wins....down 1 win to 47.5 wins right now and 7th in the West.

(07-17-2022, 07:50 AM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/nbabet/status/1548409404482940930

Last year the Vegas line was 48.5 wins....down 1 win to 47.5 wins right now and 7th in the West.

(07-17-2022, 12:11 PM)Berknip Wrote: Maybe I’m blind but no odds for LAL? Are they zero? Ephemeral? Or just not seeing the whole list?

(07-17-2022, 08:27 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I’ll take the over.

(07-17-2022, 08:27 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I’ll take the over.