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RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: WAS Viable Partner for THJ |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - audiosway - 06-26-2024
(06-26-2024, 09:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: That same guy had a tweet earlier about how Nico Harrison sees Jerami Grant as "the missing piece" and they're considering making a formal offer for him, too (or maybe instead?).
Interesting. He just turned 30 so he is in the timeline range. He is definitely an upgrade to DJJ. The hardest part is going to be retaining DJJ. I'm 50/50 on DJJ. I love what the guy brings to the team. However, when you need scoring from your starter he's not your guy.
I see PJ being able to develop some moves and become a very good scorer/defender. I just don't see that with DJJ. At the same time I don't want to replace him with Grimes. It would be more of the same I think. Grimes could be an upgrade to Green but he's not where DJJ is as a defender.
I could definitely see how Nico could consider Grant the missing piece. If he thinks that he has my approval to get it done. He's earned that trust I think. Don't go over board with an offer but get it done asap. I think that means DJJ walks. And again I'm fine with that as well as THJ/Green being flipped for a package that includes Grimes.
That said, I don't let DJJ walk unless Grant is a Mav.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: WAS Viable Partner for THJ |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - The Jom - 06-26-2024
(06-26-2024, 10:44 PM)F Gump Wrote: Unless DJJ wants the 5.2M TxMLE, there's not a real path to Grant and Grimes and DJJ.
So you’re saying that would take an UNREAL trade? That’s what we’re all hoping for!!!
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: DET: We Want Future Assets |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - SamStetz - 06-26-2024
Some interesting players that THJ shares an agent with
Kyle Filipowski (undrafted)
Gordon Hayward
Joe Ingles (nonguaranteed)
Kevin Huerter
Corey Kispert (Wizards)
Bobby Portis
Marcus Sasser (Pistons)
Sasha Vezenkov (Kings)
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: WAS Viable Partner for THJ |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - KillerLeft - 06-26-2024
(06-26-2024, 10:59 PM)audiosway Wrote: That said, I don't let DJJ walk unless Grant is a Mav.
Oh me, neither. To be clear, my hope (if all three is truly an impossibility), is for either Grant or Grimes to go along with DJJ. I think Grant is a more "win now" move, but it's not like the team will suck without him - I expect they'll be better than last year, with continuity. And Grimes is probably the choice with the higher floor. If they got Grant and it didn't work, it would be another tough to work around situation. He's got four more years of big money left. Grimes is more of an "around the edges" add with a decent chance of adding significant value.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: DET: We Want Future Assets |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - Jym - 06-26-2024
I think it's clear that Grant is the best 2 way guy we could realistically get taking into account assets and the money situation
Hopefully Nico can pull that off
I have some questions on how well Grant and PJ would work together but we can figure that out later
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: DET: We Want Future Assets |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - KillerLeft - 06-26-2024
(06-26-2024, 11:27 PM)Jym Wrote: I think it's clear that Grant is the best 2 way guy we could realistically get taking into account assets and the money situation
Hopefully Nico can pull that off
I have some questions on how well Grant and PJ would work together but we can figure that out later
That's why you must re-up DJJ too, if you go that way.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: DET: We Want Future Assets |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - SamStetz - 06-26-2024
Would Toronto rather have the 31st pick in this draft or their 2025 second rounder?
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: DET: We Want Future Assets |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - LukaMVP - 06-27-2024
even at a discount the blazers will demand no less than two firsts for Grant. yes that's within our range, but that's almost all we have in draft capital. grant as a player may be what we can afford, but the risk ain't imho. we cannot go all in on one guy hoping he would fix everything, call end to the off season (we'd have little assets to work with, even if not hardcapped) while leaving all the other issues unsolved.
that's why resigning DJJ should be our top priority imho. you retain a good player without giving up nothing but some cap space.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: WAS Viable Partner for THJ |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - audiosway - 06-27-2024
(06-26-2024, 11:19 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Oh me, neither. To be clear, my hope (if all three is truly an impossibility), is for either Grant or Grimes to go along with DJJ. I think Grant is a more "win now" move, but it's not like the team will suck without him - I expect they'll be better than last year, with continuity. And Grimes is probably the choice with the higher floor. If they got Grant and it didn't work, it would be another tough to work around situation. He's got four more years of big money left. Grimes is more of an "around the edges" add with a decent chance of adding significant value.
I agree. I would go for Grant. Then, do a trade for THJ and possibly Green to get the room to resign DJJ. That way you have Grimes, Grant, and DJJ. Then, let those guys work it out in camp. I would rather have the continuity and/or asset of DJJ as well as the option of Grant. Then, Grimes if you Green upgrade.
I will say though, if Grant does work out that completely alters the Boston Finals. There were two 7 point losses. He makes up that 7 point different over DJJ.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: WAS Viable Partner for THJ |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - mvossman - 06-27-2024
(06-27-2024, 12:29 AM)audiosway Wrote: I agree. I would go for Grant. Then, do a trade for THJ and possibly Green to get the room to resign DJJ. That way you have Grimes, Grant, and DJJ. Then, let those guys work it out in camp. I would rather have the continuity and/or asset of DJJ as well as the option of Grant. Then, Grimes if you Green upgrade.
I will say though, if Grant does work out that completely alters the Boston Finals. There were two 7 point losses. He makes up that 7 point different over DJJ.
That is assuming he plays defense near DJJ level. I think that is big assumption
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: WAS Viable Partner for THJ |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - KillerLeft - 06-27-2024
(06-27-2024, 12:36 AM)mvossman Wrote: That is assuming he plays defense near DJJ level. I think that is big assumption
I don’t know if that is the best series to make your point, since the whole entire driving force of the Boston offense is to manipulate matchups and attack whomever they want. Like Jones, that would not have been Grant.
Now, if you’re wondering whether or not a Mavs team without Jones makes it past SGA or Edwards, sure.
I for sure want them to re-sign Jones. But Grant would be a very, very good defender here. He is a legit two-way player just waiting for a contender to come grab him, imo. 1 pick, 2 picks, 1 pick+Green or O-Max, whatever. I doubt they will ever get a shot at a guy that good who fits that well that cheaply. There is definitely some risk involved, given his contract.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: DET: We Want Future Assets |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - LukaMVP - 06-27-2024
if we had a big that could score in paint by himself consistently and regularly we would have a decent shot at beating the Celtics. leaving aside the results of ECF, the pacers had such guys and they drew good combats despite not having Halliburton for the last two games. post D is the only weakness of Boston, if anything, but the mavs didn't have the right guys to make the most of it. PJ and Gafford had some good plays that way but it didn't make much difference for some reason. bitaze would be a good choice, if Valanciunas is going to the Lakers.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: DET: We Want Future Assets |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - LukaMVP - 06-27-2024
grant, albeit being overpaid to some extent, is a real good player and you may see him as a star even, but there are a number of potential buyers that will drive up his price and eventually the mavs will be outta the table once again most likely. sure I hope we can act smart and quick, wrap him up for a reasonable price before other teams stick a hand in, while avoiding the hardcap hopefully. however the likelihood is not as big as we wish it to be imho.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: DET: We Want Future Assets |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - KillerLeft - 06-27-2024
(06-27-2024, 01:12 AM)LukaMVP Wrote: grant, albeit being overpaid to some extent, is a real good player and you may see him as a star even, but there are a number of potential buyers that will drive up his price and eventually the mavs will be outta the table once again most likely. sure I hope we can act smart and quick, wrap him up for a reasonable price before other teams stick a hand in, while avoiding the hardcap hopefully. however the likelihood is not as big as we wish it to be imho.
That is contrary to what is out there. You might be right, but from what I can tell after much investigation, the only rumored teams with interest are Dallas and the Lakers, and of the Lakers haven’t even reached out about him officially, so Blazers people are kind of thinking that’s just smoke. To your point, striking quickly might be Key.
I have a pretty big feeling that Grant is going to be a Maverick. I guess a more accurate thing to say is that I have a pretty big feeling that either Grant or Grimes is going to be a Maverick, and I won’t complain either way.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: WAS Viable Partner for THJ |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - SleepingHero - 06-27-2024
(06-26-2024, 11:00 PM)The Jom Wrote: So you’re saying that would take an UNREAL trade? That’s what we’re all hoping for!!!
If we traded out THJ+Green+Maxi+Lawson for Grant+Grimes AND want to resign DJJ to the full MLE, we'd be about 5-6mil over budget depending on if the last roster spot is a vet min or a 2nd round pick.
Grant's contract is just a bit too expensive. If DJJ accepts a 5.2 TP-MLE, then we're in business.
Roster:
Luka/Exum/Hardy
Kyrie/Grimes/#58 pick
Grant/DJJ
PJ/OMax/Morris
Lively/Gafford/Powell
That's a pretty scary squad.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: DET: We Want Future Assets |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - LukaMVP - 06-27-2024
thanks for the info and deep thoughts bro. a legit third option would definitely help us a lot. it pretty much depends on how desperate they are to get rid of his contract imho. those recent deals may drive up their expected returns for grant, however, if they're determined to ship him out this summer while no other team is making a bid actually, I think maybe they will accept our offer, hopefully. nonetheless, they won't sell Grant cheap just for financial reasons, if they just want salary dumps they have Thybulle and Robert to go first. it wouldn't be a bad offseason for us if we could get Grimes and Thybulle while keeping DJJ, without spending out 25 that will bring us another good talent from a stacked draft next year. it's good to have grant of course, just don't gamble everything on him tbh.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: DET: We Want Future Assets |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - SleepingHero - 06-27-2024
(06-26-2024, 11:15 PM)SamStetz Wrote: Some interesting players that THJ shares an agent with
Kyle Filipowski (undrafted)
Gordon Hayward
Joe Ingles (nonguaranteed)
Kevin Huerter
Corey Kispert (Wizards)
Bobby Portis
Marcus Sasser (Pistons)
Sasha Vezenkov (Kings)
You just reminded me how Vezenkov requested out of the Kings. It just so happens that his contract+Kevin Huerter's deal is literally the exact amount Kuzma makes. Kings have been the biggest suitor for Kuzma. They were floating Barnes+Heurter+Picks for him. Barnes inclusion makes sense because Kuzma will be directly replacing his role.
So what about a 4 team deal like this?
![[Image: A2EMpma12B1VAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC.png?ex=667e...eight=1514]](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/784811934146232352/1255774291233079327/A2EMpma12B1VAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC.png?ex=667e5a72&is=667d08f2&hm=fb3a3c8306944b6eed15b5ce67e4fb12b7932528906be13dac68959c5d0a9bb3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=2318&height=1514)
SAC sends out Huerter+Barnes+Vezenkov. They replace Huerter with THJ, Barnes with Kuzma, and get out of Vezenkov's contract.
Mavs send THJ to SAC as an expiring deal. They can add the TOR 2nd as well. They get back Grimes and an ability to resign DJJ.
DET gets a starter level wing that can be a great trade chip next year. A relatively larger contract so team's can dump money. That is a future level asset that fits what the GM was saying they've desired. And more importantly, Barnes is an adult in the room for the DET rookies. He has always been a commensurate professional.
Wizards gets a flyer on Vezenkov and Huerter as a 6th man scorer (or maybe even a starter). I assume they want some form of draft compensation. Kings probably send a single future 1st and perhaps the Mavs TOR 2nd.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Stein: WAS Viable Partner for THJ |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - LukaMVP - 06-27-2024
(06-27-2024, 01:35 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: If we traded out THJ+Green+Maxi+Lawson for Grant+Grimes AND want to resign DJJ to the full MLE, we'd be about 5-6mil over budget depending on if the last roster spot is a vet min or a 2nd round pick.
Grant's contract is just a bit too expensive. If DJJ accepts a 5.2 TP-MLE, then we're in business.
Roster:
Luka/Exum/Hardy
Kyrie/Grimes/#58 pick
Grant/DJJ
PJ/OMax/Morris
Lively/Gafford/Powell
That's a pretty scary squad.
unless DJJ is as much of a mavs fan as most people here are, he isn't gonna accept a significant payout just to stay here imho. some pundits thought we could sign him for vet min for another year so we would have early bird's rights to pay him good money next year, but it's not likely. just think about it on his behalf and it's quite understandable: I accept a pay cut so mavs can sign a good player to start over me, so I'm also accepting a reduced role here along with the paycut, and a reduced role would probably mean less $ next year. that would feel like double kicks in the balls imho.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: DET: We Want Future Assets |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - Chicagojk - 06-27-2024
Unless something hasn't been announced yet or they have something else planned, I am pretty surprised DFS was not traded for a mid 20's pick last night. DFS struggled the second half of the season, but thought some team would move a 20's pick to get a solid wing player.
If he wasn't moved for a first, I have trouble thinking some team will move him for a future first. Maybe a protected pick. It will be interesting to see who he is moved to. I don't think we have the package but I would certainly include THJ and any seconds we could offer for him.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: DET: We Want Future Assets |Kuz+Brog Could Be Moved Again - DanSchwartzgan - 06-27-2024
I think this idea that we might get Grant and Grimes is probably misguided. They are probably two paths. It just takes too many outgoing bodies to come up with $34mm of outgoing salary. It takes all three of THJ, Green and Maxi. Even if you do that, you've blown your opportunity to keep DJJ unless you send out a fourth guy. Nico said the top 7-8 would stay. We can debate whether that means Green and Maxi are locks to stay or whether that was just the kind of thing GM's say this time of year. But, four players outgoing and no path to DJJ (priority 1A and 1B) doesn't come close to what Nico said.
The thing about Avdija (heartbroken) is his salary was much easier to work with (same with anyone in the mid to high teens). For all we know, Portland is using Dallas to get a better deal with someone else (same with Kuzma BTW).
The thing with THJ/Grimes is how perfectly it worked in the execution of Plan 1A and 1B. Grimes gives you a body for $12mm less than what you were paying THJ. You don't have to do anything else. Grimes probably makes you better than you were with THJ (especially in the playoffs) and you have the money to keep DJJ. You don't HAVE to move on from Hardy or Green, but if you do, You do it for someone with a more reasonable salary. Question regarding Grimes. If Detroit wants Hardy also, do you do it? If Detroit instead wants OMax, do yo do it?