(02-13-2025, 07:41 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: AD was just the salary match in the trade.  Nico just wanted Christie.  

(02-13-2025, 06:57 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: You are 100% right. They gave him an extension like Naji’s contract, not Green. My bad! 


What is interesting is that Martin is on that same Naji type contract, which means the Mavs have a budget for the role they wanted Grimes, and now Martin, to play.

(02-13-2025, 11:43 AM)michaeltex Wrote: I'm not saying this was a driving factor in the Grimes trade, but now DAL doesn't have to waste time or bandwidth waiting on Grimes to decide on who he wanted to sign with and see if DAL matched. Kind of like the DJJ deal last summer, instead of waiting, just cut bait and use the space to find another suitable player while there is still an inventory to chose from. 

Also Turner is immediately available for trade opportunities, even pre-FA, like during draft night.

(02-13-2025, 01:54 PM)F Gump Wrote: One thing that bears watching re the Mavs roster imo is that Hardy is way out of the rotation. Even with them being so short-handed, he has played (in the last 5 games) 0, 0, 0, 9, and 5 minutes. Last night Williams, who is smaller than Hardy, played 15. (SD's minutes also dropped to 18 last night.)

Hardy is an all-offense player, get as many shots as possible with not much regard for anything else. With Luka gone, you'd think there is a huge need for more offense. Yet he sits.

My guess is that Kidd, now that Luka is gone, is hanging his hat on defense, and trying to instill a mentality that you MUST defend or else your minutes get cut (or erased).

Any other theories?

(02-13-2025, 01:54 PM)F Gump Wrote: One thing that bears watching re the Mavs roster imo is that Hardy is way out of the rotation. Even with them being so short-handed, he has played (in the last 5 games) 0, 0, 0, 9, and 5 minutes. Last night Williams, who is smaller than Hardy, played 15. (SD's minutes also dropped to 18 last night.)

Hardy is an all-offense player, get as many shots as possible with not much regard for anything else. With Luka gone, you'd think there is a huge need for more offense. Yet he sits.

My guess is that Kidd, now that Luka is gone, is hanging his hat on defense, and trying to instill a mentality that you MUST defend or else your minutes get cut (or erased).

Any other theories?

(02-13-2025, 01:54 PM)F Gump Wrote: One thing that bears watching re the Mavs roster imo is that Hardy is way out of the rotation. Even with them being so short-handed, he has played (in the last 5 games) 0, 0, 0, 9, and 5 minutes. Last night Williams, who is smaller than Hardy, played 15. (SD's minutes also dropped to 18 last night.)

Hardy is an all-offense player, get as many shots as possible with not much regard for anything else. With Luka gone, you'd think there is a huge need for more offense. Yet he sits.

My guess is that Kidd, now that Luka is gone, is hanging his hat on defense, and trying to instill a mentality that you MUST defend or else your minutes get cut (or erased).

Any other theories?

(02-13-2025, 01:54 PM)F Gump Wrote: One thing that bears watching re the Mavs roster imo is that Hardy is way out of the rotation. Even with them being so short-handed, he has played (in the last 5 games) 0, 0, 0, 9, and 5 minutes. Last night Williams, who is smaller than Hardy, played 15. (SD's minutes also dropped to 18 last night.)

Hardy is an all-offense player, get as many shots as possible with not much regard for anything else. With Luka gone, you'd think there is a huge need for more offense. Yet he sits.

My guess is that Kidd, now that Luka is gone, is hanging his hat on defense, and trying to instill a mentality that you MUST defend or else your minutes get cut (or erased).

Any other theories?

(02-13-2025, 02:05 PM)Smitty Wrote: I think they're in need of a true point guard. Exum is the only one on the roster. Both Kyrie and Spencer are combo guards. Hardy is small and can't defend, dribble, or pass. Can't initiate offense and simply turns the ball over too much. He's an old school shooting guard, which the Mavs have several that are better for that role. Williams is closer to a true point guard and can defend. Without Exum last night, that's where Kidd was forced to go.

(02-13-2025, 02:23 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: He’s a good enough scorer that some team will certainly take a flyer on him. So he’s definitely a tradeable asset. Just not sure he has a place in the newly formed Mavs culture.

(02-13-2025, 02:34 PM)F Gump Wrote: All of that analysis on Hardy sounds right (except, if he was playing PG, he would be big for the position).

Your observation that what they need is a true PG, with Hardy not being good enough so getting confined to the SG mix (where there are many better options) also makes sense. And I would combine that with the addition of Christie -- he's forced his way into MAJOR minutes which then has a domino effect on the minutes for everyone else who might have gotten minutes at SF or SG.

However, as they get healthier (hopefully), it sure does look like Hardy may continue to be the odd man out.

It sure would help if Exum can go tonight.

(02-13-2025, 02:39 PM)F Gump Wrote: I sure hope you are right on all that. I would love for the Mavs to actually get some value for him -- I am coming to the concern that when they go to move him this summer (and I accept that as a given), he could have negative trade value, at multiple years at $6M per.

(02-13-2025, 01:54 PM)F Gump Wrote: My guess is that Kidd, now that Luka is gone, is hanging his hat on defense, and trying to instill a mentality that you MUST defend or else your minutes get cut (or erased).

Any other theories?

(02-13-2025, 12:29 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Hoop Central
(@TheHoopCentral)
Max Christie as a Mav:

15 PTS - 9 REB - 3 AST - 5/8 FGM
15 PTS - 6 REB - 4 AST - 6/13 FGM
23 PTS - 2 REB - 2 AST - 5/10 FGM
15 PTS - 4 REB - 3 AST - 5/10 FGM
17 PTS - 5 REB - 4 AST - 6/12 FGM

(02-13-2025, 03:24 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: It’s a definite possibility, that he’ll be viewed as a negative contract.

…but he can score, sometimes in bunches, which teams historically have been willing to pay for. So all it takes is one team who sees some potential, and thinks they can coach him up to thrive in their particular system…

(02-13-2025, 06:17 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I remember Tony Dumas, who could really rack up points for losing Mavs teams. Would look like a superstar at times.

After being traded away with Kidd, iirc, he was out of the league within no more than a year.