(12-04-2024, 01:16 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: It's not just a matter of stubborn internal ethics not to trade Klay. It's that we'll never, ever sign a significant FA with Nico as GM again if we trade Klay in-season. That matters, from where I'm sitting anyway.

(12-04-2024, 09:30 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Just like Grant Williams!

(12-04-2024, 11:19 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: LOL Grant Williams wasn't a significant free agent. We thought he was, but he wasn't. Klay is an icon whether he's washed or not.

(12-04-2024, 12:54 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: As far as long-term strategy goes I´d be very hesitant to let Grimes, Washington, Gafford, Lively or Marshall go. Good contracts are always tradeable. These players are all young enough to be moveable on good deals. Furthermore I feel all of them can be rotational players on a championship team. So you get them on good deals, you should keep them all. 

(12-04-2024, 11:32 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: I think the Mavs will make decisions based on merit.

Will the leash be longer for guys with a proven track record? Sure.

(12-04-2024, 01:54 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Unfortunately, Grimes turning down that extension offer prompted me to brace myself for him being next summer's version of DJJ, especially if the Mavs have another deep playoff run and he's a factor in it. I sure hope I'm wrong. 

I'm no cap expert, but I really feel like we're nearing a point in time when Gafford will be a luxury this team can't afford, at least without losing stuff they need even more in other areas. I'm not saying I'd do this now or at this trade deadline, but at some point before the end of his contract I think I might look to move him on terms that are favorable for my team, treating him as an asset, rather than just a savings casualty. If they're smart enough about turning some of these guys into cost controlled players with upside and maybe some draft capital, maybe they can avoid being backed into a corner. I realize that's "cart before the horse" thinking, and that maximizing this current window needs to be the primary goal, but as you say, we're not even into Luka's prime yet. 

I agree about planning for life after Kyrie, too. I'm sure I'll be fine with having him around long after you've decided he's too old, but he's obviously not totally synced with Luka's timeline the way some of the other pieces are. This is part of what's so disappointing about Hardy's lack of progress for me.

(12-04-2024, 05:52 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Re: Grimes and Gafford: I think it would be extremely foolish of the Mavs to trade Gafford in season, but I would look for him to be traded for air + picks next summer so that they can afford Grimes. No excuse for losing Grimes. He will not be next year's DJJ, because we have matching rights. If someone offers him a big contract, it's probably because he's shown himself to be worth it.

(12-04-2024, 06:16 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: He will be next year’s Jones if he’s offered a contract they don’t think can or just want to match. It’s not my preferred outcome at this time, but you should mentally prepare yourself for it as a possibility, because negotiating the tax penalties will legitimately be a struggle.

I agree that Grimes is more worth keeping than Gafford, at least the way Grimes is playing right now, and with every indication that Lively is a legit high 30 minutes per guy, but there’s no way of knowing whether the Mavs are with us. I’d say the extension offer they made proves that they are interested in keeping Grimes around, but I am sure they have a dollar amount in mind that fits with their long-term roster building plans.

It’s also worth noting that there’s a lot of season left for Grimes. We might feel differently at some point.

(12-04-2024, 06:20 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: I think they had a dollar amount they wanted to spend on Grimes, but I think that he is opening their eyes to be willing to spend more. If what we've seen the past 5-10 games isn't fool's gold, he could be a future all-star.

(12-04-2024, 08:25 PM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: So what would be the nearest recent analogies for Grimes as a RFA this summer? Okoro is the only one that immediately comes to mind. He was 3yr-38m. Obi Toppin 4yr-60. Quickley 5yr-175m. Almost all RFA stayed home.

I think Grimes at his current pace will get between 15-20. I was advocating for them offering him Josh Green money as an extension offer. I think they low-balled him a bit. No way he was taking 8m or whatever they were offering.

(12-04-2024, 09:16 PM)rocky164 Wrote: Can Grimes not sign an extension or new contract before hitting free agency?

(12-05-2024, 02:56 PM)F Gump Wrote: ...and that matching aspect, with a waiting period, does tend to scare away offers.

(12-05-2024, 04:37 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Interesting

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/1h7ilj3/really_great_breakdown_by_dlls_mavs_on_how_the/