(10-20-2024, 09:53 AM)The Jom Wrote: Hard for me to see Grimes getting a bigger # than DJJ was offered.

(10-20-2024, 12:27 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: I can see Grimes get something like 4/48. Just my guess.

He can be a 3 and D player.  We all know how valuable those are in today’s NBA. Neither DJJ or Hardy can really claim to be that.

I think if he can shoot 36-38% from three, he’ll be a big bargain. The question with him is the same as PJ Washington. Can he shoot those percentages?

(10-20-2024, 01:15 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Given that Grimes has once shown he could be a starter and play heavy minutes, including ranking in elite percentiles for defensive metrics, I'd give him a higher contract than Hardy.

Hardy is a fantastic scorer. Hasn't given me any sort of confidence that he can do much else at an elite level. Right now, today, I'd give Hardy an extension somewhere around 3/30. 10mil AAV. 

Should Hardy prove to have taken a step this year, that number could go higher. If he can just do one more thing well, I'd be comfortable going 4/45, 4/50 range. Which isn't that far off for what I'm wanting Grimes for at 4/60.

(10-20-2024, 12:19 PM)mvossman Wrote: 1 I'm not sure why you would be using Brunson as a comp when Green is a more recent situation, a much more similar player and basically played the role that Grimes was brought in to replace.

2 I agree with some of your concerns and I'm a little surprised Mavs are looking at this now, but I think that range is too low.  3 Grimes has already proven to be worth the MLE in the past and if he wants to bet anything on himself it won't be at 7 mil.

(10-20-2024, 02:05 PM)F Gump Wrote: 1 When it comes to an offer to avoid dealing with free agency, or not, I think of Brunson and how that played out.
...1a If we use Green as a comp, it's a cautionary tale about assuming a player's game value will take a jump and paying him accordingly, and then it doesn't. (That's the question on Grimes right now -- will his game value somehow take a jump, or won't it? Because if you sign him and yr 3 is who he is, even 7M is an overpay by a lot.)

2 You may be right that my idea is too low, but please don't misstate my words. I'm guessing 7-10 as the starting number. 

3 I strongly disagree that Grimes has proven anything yet. His year 2 was very good, but yr 3 was awful and not MLE level play. As that's the most recent, that's a red flag.

(10-20-2024, 01:32 PM)mvossman Wrote: Is that really a question?  In his three years at NY he has shot 38, 39 and 36 percent from 3 on high volume with less spacing than he is going to have with Mavs.  His is probably more likely to finish over that range than under.

PJ is a different story.  He shot 32 last season and 35 the season before.  If he can shoot 36-38% he will be crazy valuable.

(10-20-2024, 03:11 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Grimes shot 33.8% from three last season.  That's why the Mavs got him so cheap.  His stock is at an all time low.

If he was such a sure thing…he’d be starting and making $20 million a year.

And I’m the #1 Grimes fan on the forum. I’d totally take a shot on him for ~$12 mil a year.

(10-20-2024, 04:12 PM)F Gump Wrote: My observation and belief is that Grimes was traded to DET because he was sucking. And DET was just a continuation. I don't buy the idea he was a good player in NY last year. His 39% overall pct was truly bad shooting, and 36% on 3s was nothing to salvage things (it's meh at best).

(10-20-2024, 04:39 PM)mvossman Wrote: His 39% overall is partially due to the fact that so many of his shots are 3s.  If you want to look at his efficiency, his true shooting was a little over 54%, which is not great (still better than PJ and Hardy) and well below his career average.  There is no question that even in New York he had a down year last year.  But his offensive value is more than his efficiency.  He takes 3s at a high volume, which blunts his efficiency numbers, but makes him a much better floor spacer.  I would argue that the NY Grimes last season would have been more valuable that Josh Green because he is a better defender and a better floor spacer due to volume (willingness to pull the trigger).  He is also a young player and young players growth curves are generally not linear.  He had a huge jump his second year and then fell back some his third.  Its possible he never plays like he did in his second year, but I think its more likely that it eventually becomes the norm as he moves into his prime.

(10-20-2024, 05:35 PM)Jym Wrote: I just know he was exactly the type of player I hoped we would trade for. Point of attack defender who is in the final year of a rookie deal. 
I'm just shocked it ended up being so cheap to get him 
Hopefully we can keep churning thru guys in a similar contract situation without giving up much

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