(07-03-2024, 07:44 AM)Halfnir Wrote: i REALLY hope SLO loses next game or at least the following (hopefully against Giannis led Greece) to end international summer play for him. Sorry Luka, sorry Slovenians, but he has to get 2 months off to get his body right.

Also a very good thing about this off season: Kyrie/Grimes/Klay/Washington/Lively are good enough starters for most regular season games.

(07-03-2024, 10:22 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: @MavsStan41

Tim Cato on “the only Mavericks podcast” said that the Mavericks had a standing offer for DJJ. The same 27 mil for 3 years deal that Naji signed. Then shortly before free agency he changed agencies to Klutch sports.

(07-03-2024, 10:30 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: That is really interesting.  I wonder if he just got it into his head that he wanted to start?  Did the new agency get something into his head?   Did they promise they could get him more money from Dallas?   I assume the starting thing was the issue, but you never know.   

Jones vs Marshall is the known vs the unknown.   Listening to NBA guys most seem to think it is pretty close in talent for both.   They just do things differently.    I think the concerns for me is who is going to guard the elite point guards.    Second, with Klay, Luka and Kyrie on the floor together you are also missing that defense piece.  Although, i am not sure long term if DJJ starter due to some of his offensive limitations.  I would have preferred the known vs the unknown this year though.

(07-02-2024, 07:54 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: All Things Mavs (@All_Things_Mavs)
MacMahon says his understanding is that Luka Doncic is “pretty ecstatic” about the Klay Thompson addition

He also says he threw out Dennis Smith Jr.‘s name as an addition to the roster to “someone in the organization and it didn’t get shot down.”

(07-03-2024, 10:30 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: That is really interesting.  I wonder if he just got it into his head that he wanted to start?  Did the new agency get something into his head?   Did they promise they could get him more money from Dallas?   I assume the starting thing was the issue, but you never know.   

Jones vs Marshall is the known vs the unknown.   Listening to NBA guys most seem to think it is pretty close in talent for both.   They just do things differently.    I think the concerns for me is who is going to guard the elite point guards.    Second, with Klay, Luka and Kyrie on the floor together you are also missing that defense piece.  Although, i am not sure long term if DJJ starter due to some of his offensive limitations.  I would have preferred the known vs the unknown this year though.

(07-03-2024, 11:09 AM)Winter Wrote: Yes, there's still some unanswered questions. For instance, I'm sure we all noticed that Naji's name was given to the media as the Mavs backup plan before anything else happened. That seemed a little unusual that early in FA. Maybe the Mavs could predict some of this with a new agent.

It's possible, the Mavs thought Naji was really a better fit for the incoming pieces (but would have liked to have stuck with DJJ based on the history), and when the new agent slowed everything down, the Mavs just pivoted quickly so that the rest of the Klay-to-the Mavs process could play out without financial hiccups. 

This will be hard to know exactly unless DJJ comments on it.

(07-03-2024, 11:27 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: The more I think about this, the more I think this happened on the Mavs’ terms, not DJJ’s. This Cato info was the last piece of the puzzle to me. 

If that standing 3/$27m offer is true, and he changed agents rather than sign it, I think they basically said “eff it, then, we like Marshall, anyway” rather than go through a NEW negotiation with DJJ, who was obviously in a position (career earnings of only $27m TOTAL) to want to haggle for the most money possible. 

I bet Jones was hoping to get the full MLE. From DALLAS.

Then, when Dallas pivoted, I think Jones panicked and that’s when he did the whole “my old agency needs to negotiate this one” move so he could get paid before the options dried up. 

Big mistake on his part, if I have this right. The Mavs will be much better than the Clippers next season, and he didn’t really do all that much better. He should’ve just signed. OR, maybe he should’ve stayed the course and let his new agents try to get him that full MLE somewhere.

(07-03-2024, 11:27 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: The more I think about this, the more I think this happened on the Mavs’ terms, not DJJ’s. This Cato info was the last piece of the puzzle to me. 

If that standing 3/$27m offer is true, and he changed agents rather than sign it, I think they basically said “eff it, then, we like Marshall, anyway” rather than go through a NEW negotiation with DJJ, who was obviously in a position (career earnings of only $27m TOTAL) to want to haggle for the most money possible. 

I bet Jones was hoping to get the full MLE. From DALLAS.

Then, when Dallas pivoted, I think Jones panicked and that’s when he did the whole “my old agency needs to negotiate this one” move so he could get paid before the options dried up. 

Big mistake on his part, if I have this right. The Mavs will be much better than the Clippers next season, and he didn’t really do all that much better. He should’ve just signed. OR, maybe he should’ve stayed the course and let his new agents try to get him that full MLE somewhere.

(07-03-2024, 10:30 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: That is really interesting.  I wonder if he just got it into his head that he wanted to start?  Did the new agency get something into his head?   Did they promise they could get him more money from Dallas?   I assume the starting thing was the issue, but you never know.   

Jones vs Marshall is the known vs the unknown.   Listening to NBA guys most seem to think it is pretty close in talent for both.   They just do things differently.    I think the concerns for me is who is going to guard the elite point guards.    Second, with Klay, Luka and Kyrie on the floor together you are also missing that defense piece.  Although, i am not sure long term if DJJ starter due to some of his offensive limitations.  I would have preferred the known vs the unknown this year though.

(07-03-2024, 09:12 PM)audiosway Wrote: I've heard several extremely knowledgeable scouts and NBA guys lately say that Marshall has the edge over DJJ. He's longer, stronger, a better shooter, and able to extend a play and make something out of nothing. So, he has a little playmaking in him.

(07-03-2024, 10:14 PM)mvossman Wrote: Given that the role is now a 15-20 minute bench player, this might be true. I would be much more skeptical if we were trying to fill DJJ old role as a heavy minute starter.

(07-03-2024, 10:14 PM)mvossman Wrote: Given that the role is now a 15-20 minute bench player, this might be true. I would be much more skeptical if we were trying to fill DJJ old role as a heavy minute starter.

(07-03-2024, 10:14 PM)mvossman Wrote: Given that the role is now a 15-20 minute bench player, this might be true. I would be much more skeptical if we were trying to fill DJJ old role as a heavy minute starter.

(07-03-2024, 10:22 PM)Smitty Wrote: Pretty incredible but everyone thinks DJJ played a bigger role post trade deadline but actually his minutes reduced. He averaged 19.7 mpg post TDL.

(07-03-2024, 10:25 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It’s a great point, actually, but he played a crap ton in the playoffs.

I also think it’s fairly obvious that they intend for Marshall to play quite a bit more than 15 to 20 minutes, but I guess we will see.

(07-03-2024, 10:25 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It’s a great point, actually, but he played a crap ton in the playoffs.

I also think it’s fairly obvious that they intend for Marshall to play quite a bit more than 15 to 20 minutes, but I guess we will see.

(07-03-2024, 10:22 PM)Smitty Wrote: Pretty incredible but everyone thinks DJJ played a bigger role post trade deadline but actually his minutes reduced. He averaged 19.7 mpg post TDL.