(03-10-2024, 03:26 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @townbrad
Lively has rejoined the Mavs in Chicago. Would assume that means he's available to play tomorrow, but we'll ask after practice

(03-10-2024, 01:41 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: It'd be the first time in my life I'd be on the smart people side of the argument so I'll take it 



Side note, given how we've seen twice now how well a bigger guard that can score on his own works next to Luka, I wonder if we try and grab Dinwiddie this summer again. 

Exum and Dinwiddie seem redundant on paper but I think they'd just add to the versatility to this roster.

(03-09-2024, 01:21 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: That was Ghost's list reposted, with my critiques beneath.

(03-10-2024, 06:50 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Dinwiddie is redundant period. He's not the same player he was when he was with Dallas. Toronto didn't want him and flat out cut him. He did make a game saving blocked shot on Dame for the Lakers win the other night.

(03-10-2024, 07:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: He really wasn't even the same player BEFORE he was in Dallas, honestly. He was GREAT for that year, but idk...it's kind of like Wiggins in GS. I just don't trust that stretch, given what he's looked like before and after.

(03-10-2024, 06:53 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: So Dame was absent from your list too? Dame should be there somewhere. SMH..

(03-10-2024, 01:41 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Exum and Dinwiddie seem redundant on paper but I think they'd just add to the versatility to this roster.

(03-10-2024, 07:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: He really wasn't even the same player BEFORE he was in Dallas, honestly. He was GREAT for that year, but idk...it's kind of like Wiggins in GS. I just don't trust that stretch, given what he's looked like before and after.

(03-11-2024, 07:31 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: Absolutely agree.  Dinwiddie has been a losing player his entire career except during his Mavericks tenure.  He's a one-hit wonder.  

I still can't believe we traded Porzingis for Dinwiddie and Bertans.  Even though Porzingis was a poor fit here, a Labrador retriever could have negotiated a better deal than that.

(03-11-2024, 05:51 AM)RGP1981 Wrote: Instead of Dinwiddie, I think this team needs a better combo of shooter/defender than THJ. From those that should or could be cheaply available, I think Grimes + Fontecchio would be nice additions.

G: Kyrie........ Exum
G: Green....... Grimes, Hardy?
F: Luka......... Fontecchio, DJJ?
F: PJ............. Kleber, O-max
C: Lively........ Gafford

(03-11-2024, 05:51 AM)RGP1981 Wrote: Instead of Dinwiddie, I think this team needs a better combo of shooter/defender than THJ. From those that should or could be cheaply available, I think Grimes + Fontecchio would be nice additions.

G: Kyrie........ Exum
G: Green....... Grimes, Hardy?
F: Luka......... Fontecchio, DJJ?
F: PJ............. Kleber, O-max
C: Lively........ Gafford

(03-11-2024, 10:37 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: It's an interesting situation, to say the least. I haven't checked the details recently, but I'm pretty sure that Washington had to pay Boston a 1st to take the Porzingis contract, which I think makes the Dallas/Washington deal look better. I'd take the transitional results of that Bertans contract over paying a 1st to dump him any day, and as we've discussed, the Mavs somehow got more out of Dinwiddie while he was here than they ever got or would have gotten out of Porzingis. But, I can't deny that Porzingis is looking like a usable player on a good team in Boston. 

I think the angle that we're overlooking a bit is the absolutely crushing weight of his contract relative to what he brings to the table, even if he's healthy and playing decently. It just seems like Boston had the means and the will to say "F it, we're close." I'm not sure we all realize that Dallas (and most other teams) literally CAN'T (or at least couldn't, past tense) make that choice, financially. I think that's a big reason Cuban took on the partners, recently, and it gives me a little hope for the future. I'll have even more hope on the day we're all free of Jason Kidd. 

But back to Porzingis on the Mavs, it can't be denied that he wasn't working here. TWO coaches tried, one of them being qualified and trying a variety of approaches, the other having just as much reason to make it work (I personally believe Carlisle's exit was just as much about his desire to be free of Porzingis as it had to do with his relationship with Luka) and both of them clearly reached the conclusion that he needed to be moved out of here. That's not a great negotiating position when trading a player, but it just had to be done.

(03-11-2024, 11:00 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: You basically have 4 of the 5 players you need to create a contending lineup (imo) with Luka/Kyrie/PJ/Lively (or Gafford) and are looking for that last wing who can play defense and give you a consistent 14 to 16 a night and a little bit of playmaking.  Exum has been REALLY good in that role but hasn't been healthy enough to trust, DJJ is lacking on offense, Green is too up and down.

A name that I would keep an eye on is Keldon Johnson.  Mikal Bridges would be the perfect fit but not sure if we have the ammo to do it but I bet we could pry Keldon Johnson has he's kind of fallen out of the Spurs future plans it seems.

(03-11-2024, 11:51 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Keldon appears to be out of place there and will eventually be moved.   I think he is more of a PF type.   I don't know if I see him chasing around guards.  You agree?

What about Mikal's teammate in Cam Johnson?  Fits what you are saying above.    He is going to cost quite a bit though, I think.

(03-11-2024, 11:00 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: You basically have 4 of the 5 players you need to create a contending lineup (imo) with Luka/Kyrie/PJ/Lively (or Gafford) and are looking for that last wing who can play defense and give you a consistent 14 to 16 a night and a little bit of playmaking.  Exum has been REALLY good in that role but hasn't been healthy enough to trust, DJJ is lacking on offense, Green is too up and down.

A name that I would keep an eye on is Keldon Johnson.  Mikal Bridges would be the perfect fit but not sure if we have the ammo to do it but I bet we could pry Keldon Johnson has he's kind of fallen out of the Spurs future plans it seems.

(03-11-2024, 12:32 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Would add two things. Mavs have a couple of young guys that could potentially develop into the missing piece but at the same time they have to prepare for Kyrie's decline.
Mavs are still caught inbetween the Luka/Kyrie win now approach and the new young core that probably needs a few more years.

(03-11-2024, 11:49 AM)mvossman Wrote: Washington did not have to pay a first.  They got Tyus Jones, salary filler and an early second. Not a kings ransom, but definitely value. KP was not working here but that trade was terrible value. We got very lucky that Din worked out or it would have been a complete disaster

(03-11-2024, 01:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Was it a 3-way, or something? I feel like I've heard Bill Simmons (my source for all things Boston) say the Celtics "got a 1st" in the Porzingis deal. No?

(03-11-2024, 01:11 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: It came from Memphis which got Marcus Smart out of the deal.  They actually sent 2 firsts.