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RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - burekemde - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 01:42 PM)fifteenth Wrote: Jake (paraphrase): The Stein and Townsend articles yesterday confirm that Mark is and will be THE decision maker regarding basketball (on court) transactions. Are we 100% sure to have Luka for 5 years? RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - omahen - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 10:50 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think this may be true, but it doesn’t have to be true. I mean, how long does it take for all the decision makers to get together and figure out the needs and wants (skill-wise) for the team. That can also be a part of the interview process. Once that is decided on, they would most assuredly have a list of the known quantities throughout the league, then it comes down to projections of who might be able to fit those skillsets. First strategy needs to be decided and there is a huge amount of key questions: trade KP or not, trade Brunson or not, what to do with Powell, will JRich opt in or not, what to do if he does, who to draft if you get any pick in potential trades, go over or under the cap,...? I guess the best scenario depends a lot on what can be done on the market. Which trades are available, which free agents want to come,... It is totally impossible that a new guy waltzes in, takes 6 calls and that's it. He needs time. I believe teams are tampering as hell and discussions are going on all the time. Same goes for trades. Mavs GM is missing all this. Assuming he will be the one working. If not, I guess I will be rooting for new team in 3-4 years. New York might be in prime position if they play it smart. At least most of the games will be played earlier for me ![]() RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - fifteenth - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 02:11 PM)burekemde Wrote: Are we 100% sure to have Luka for 5 years? He hasn't signed, so no. The plugged in folks seem to be fairly sure he signs this contract. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - cow - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 02:19 PM)fifteenth Wrote: He hasn't signed, so no. The plugged in folks seem to be fairly sure he signs this contract. He will sign. That does not guarantee you'll have him for five years or even four if the fifth year is a player option. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - fifteenth - 06-23-2021 We certainly don't have time for "Plan 2022", which turns in to "23", then "24".... Plan powder is out of time. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - chaparral - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 02:26 PM)fifteenth Wrote: We certainly don't have time for "Plan 2022", which turns in to "23", then "24".... I could see a possible 2023 Jokic plan. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - fifteenth - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 02:34 PM)chaparral Wrote: I could see a possible 2023 Jokic plan. And that might be what Mark thinks. History says it probably is. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - vfromlmf - 06-23-2021 I get that this is a "what have you done for me lately" league but the teams that have not won an NBA Championship are: the Indiana Pacers, Charlotte Hornets, Brooklyn Nets, Memphis Grizzlies, Utah Jazz, Phoenix Suns, New Orleans Pelicans, Los Angeles Clippers, Denver Nuggets Orlando Magic and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Cuban may swing for the fences and strike out a lot, but he's certainly hit his fair share of some home runs. In fact, 2011 and drafting Luka were thrilling grand slams. Some might argue the Mavs would be better off hitting singles and doubles than swinging for the fences. But that's certainly not the trend in real baseball. This is all tied to analytics and as a result, developing hitters on their way to the bigs are taught to swing to hit the ball out of the park. Strikeouts are no longer viewed as egregious; they’re just outs. Shouldn't we think of building a championship roster the same way? Does it matter that the Mavs struck out with JRich? Would it have been better if JRich were good, only to lose in the first round? No, the Mavs are just out, either way. So we move on to next year, step back into the batter's box and swing hard again. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - chaparral - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 02:43 PM)fifteenth Wrote: And that might be what Mark thinks. History says it probably is. I guess we will know if they trade KP for someone whos contract ends in 2023. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - ClutchDirk - 06-23-2021 https://media.giphy.com/media/KFSL234o2FlGE/giphy.gif RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - fifteenth - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 02:45 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: Shouldn't we think of building a championship roster the same way? Not sure. The 2011 roster wasn't really built by hitting multiple home runs. Dirk was a home run and then the rest was built by trial and error based tweaking over the years. Now Luka is a home run. They re-did the Dirk part. That's awesome. Now with Luka on the team, I don't think you can just swing for the fences. I think you have to smartly build around your superstar. If you're waiting for another homerun, well, that might not happen again during Luka's stay. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - Kammrath - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 02:04 PM)fifteenth Wrote: he's doubling down on his own ability to put together a basketball team I think this is the wrong framing. I think this is more accurate: "He's doubling down on his own ability to synthesize the suggestions and information he is given by the experts around him to put together a basketball team." Again, there is NOTHING wrong with this. In fact, if he is THE point man through which everything runs then that is better then the craziness of the last few years where I am pretty sure Cuban was not THE point man (otherwise the MIA trade debacle never happens as an example). RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - cow - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 02:45 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: I get that this is a "what have you done for me lately" league but the teams that have not won an NBA Championship are: the Indiana Pacers, Charlotte Hornets, Brooklyn Nets, Memphis Grizzlies, Utah Jazz, Phoenix Suns, New Orleans Pelicans, Los Angeles Clippers, Denver Nuggets Orlando Magic and the Minnesota Timberwolves. Most of those teams have a better core than the Mavericks do today. That matters in terms of veteran ring chasers. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - vfromlmf - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 03:27 PM)cow Wrote: Most of those teams have a better core than the Mavericks do today. I guess my point is, if your goal is a championship, who really cares if one team has a "better core" than another. They're all sitting at home watching the playoffs with you and me. Maybe the Mavs struck out swinging. Maybe Utah hit some singles and doubles and their inning ended with a grounder to short. Who cares if both teams are out? RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - F Gump - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 03:27 PM)Kammrath Wrote: ... the last few years where I am pretty sure Cuban was not THE point man (otherwise the MIA trade debacle never happens as an example). What about the MIA thing makes you think Cuban was NOT involved and in control? RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - Tyler - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 02:23 PM)cow Wrote: He will sign. That does not guarantee you'll have him for five years or even four if the fifth year is a player option. Remember, the extension signed now kicks in AFTER next season. So assuming he signs, Dallas will have him locked up for 5 years with the 6th year as a (very likely) player option. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - cow - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 03:32 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: I guess my point is, if your goal is a championship, who really cares if one team has a "better core" than another. They're all sitting at home watching the playoffs with you and me. Maybe the Mavs struck out swinging. Maybe Utah hit some singles and doubles and their inning ended with a grounder to short. Who cares if both teams are out? Luka probably cares. Young has made it to the conference finals. Ayton will probably be in the Finals. It wouldn't surprise me if Jaren Jackson Jr and the Grizzlies have more success than the Mavs in the coming year. Those are his draft contemporaries. A good core helps your team win. Winning helps you attract more talent or gives you the flexibility to trade for greater talent. Always swinging for the fences and never making contact is going to get your butt sent to the minor leagues or in Mark's case, is going to see a generational talent walk out the door because you couldn't build a team properly. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - fifteenth - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 03:27 PM)Kammrath Wrote: I think this is the wrong framing. I think this is more accurate: I don't think my characterization is wrong just because I didn't include the middle part. Cuban is the decision maker. However, I think your characterization is fine. But the problem I have with this reality is twofold. 1) His desire to be the decision maker means that the best GMs won't come here. This means that the experts that Cuban will rely on most likely won't be as good as the experts that won't come here. 2) His desire to be the decision maker means that he will ultimately make the decision. And I think that most likely he won't make decisions that are as good as the decisions that would be made by the experts that won't come here. To add to that: I think Gump is correct when he says that Cuban's abilities are the ceiling for the team. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - vfromlmf - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 02:55 PM)fifteenth Wrote: The 2011 roster wasn't really built by hitting multiple home runs. Beg to differ. Home run: Shawn Marion trade to Mavs in complicated four-team trade Home run: Mavs essentially paying $11 million and two first-round picks to trade Devin Harris for JKidd. Home run: Mavs six-player trade getting Tyson Chandler back to Dallas Home run: Antoine Walker for Jason Terry There were other genius moves netting role players Peja, Brewer, Stevenson, Haywood etc. All contributed significantly. RE: NEWS: Donnie Nelson out | Forde's Sportsology to assist | no chance on Ujiri? - cow - 06-23-2021 (06-23-2021, 03:36 PM)Tyler Wrote: Remember, the extension signed now kicks in AFTER next season. So assuming he signs, Dallas will have him locked up for 5 years with the 6th year as a (very likely) player option. Good point. But my point still stands, even with a contract, if he wants out, where there is a will, there is a way. |