(06-24-2024, 02:55 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: It’s the Wizards. I wouldn’t read too much into what the optimal positions are in the modern NBA.

(06-24-2024, 03:18 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @TheDunkCentral
De’Aaron Fox will not sign an extension with the Kings this summer, as he wants to first see the long-term vision for the team’s roster, per
@anthonyVslater
&
@sam_amick


“Fox’s future looms in the background too, as league sources say the All-Star guard has decided not to sign an extension this year, in part, because he wants to see how the roster takes shape for the long-haul. Fox, who has two seasons left on his current deal, wants to win at the highest level and could also qualify for a significantly larger max if he makes All-NBA.”

(06-24-2024, 03:20 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: @esidery
The Kings continue to show interest in trading for Kyle Kuzma, per
@sam_amick
/
@anthonyVslater
(https://nytimes.com/athletic/5587438/2024/06/24/sacramento-kings-nba-draft-free-agency-zach-edey-kyle-kuzma-zach-lavine/).

Sacramento’s No. 13 overall pick is “very available” in trade talks for the right win-now player.

(06-24-2024, 03:27 PM)omahen Wrote: Why are the East teams the ones doing rebuilds and all West teams trying to compete? I think we should demand that NO, Sacramento, GSW and Clippers start full time rebuilds... With Memphis, Phoenix and Lakers following unless they make finals in 2025

East: Chicago looks like started a rebuild, Atlanta may follow. Detroit, Washington and Charlotte will continue to suck
West: Portland is likely to continue to suck, everyone else looking to get better at this point

(06-24-2024, 03:21 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Colossal error to choose Fox over Halliburton. Huge. Can you imagine how much better Halliburton would’ve looked playing with Sabonis than Fox?

(06-24-2024, 03:36 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: For the last 25 years the East has been a joke. But even more so now given that there are conceivably 13 West teams with playoff aspirations

(06-24-2024, 02:09 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: You do have to guarantee enough of his 24-25 salary to make the trade match legal.  Same with CP3.  They aren’t trading him as an instantly vanishing trade chip.  Those don’t exist anymore.

I think the play here is to trade match Shamet for THJ.  That gets you about $7.5m under the apron with no cushion.  Then you S/W him as others have mentioned.  That gets you $14mm under the apron.

If you do the protected 2025 for Washington #26 thing that I’ve brought up before, it costs you $2.6mm to pay for the rookie.  But, you were going to need a minimum wage guy at $2.0mm anyway.  Now you have $11.5mm left to fund a cushion under the apron and pay DJJ a starting wage of about $10.0-$10.5mm

Edit:  You only have to guarantee enough of Shamet’s salary to make the trade legal.  So, depending on timing, that might save a few more dollars.

(06-24-2024, 03:38 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I don´t know. This is based on what?

(06-24-2024, 03:38 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I don´t know. This is based on what? Pacers won 47 games. Kings won 46 games. The difference in their post-season success is simply in the conference and the incredible injury luck the Pacers had with the Bucks and Knicks. I´m not sure the 19/8/5 that Haliburton put up in the post-season gets you anywhere in the West. He was also atrocious for Team USA. I don´t think he´s good enough of a scorer (yet) especially in combination with a guy like Sabonis, who averaged 16 PPG in his best post-season. Siakam´s career post-season average is higher than Sabonis current peak season.

I think the combinations are perfect as they are for both teams. Siakam is a better scorer than Sabonis. Sabonis is a better passer than Siakam. Fox is a better scorer than Haliburton. Haliburton is a better passer than Fox. Good synergy on both teams.

(06-24-2024, 04:19 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Observing their games, and realizing that one of them is an extremely versatile, high basketball IQ, all-around great offensive initiator, and the other is De’Aaron Fox.

I like Sabonis, and I am not suggesting Sacramento could have gotten him for Fox, but that’s my whole point. There’s a reason he’s the one other teams wanted. I think Fox is one of the most underwhelming, overrated players in the entire NBA, and that is coming from someone who was really hoping the Mavericks could draft him the year he came out. I love speed, and he’s got that, but he just isn’t it. 

You like it, and that’s cool, I would never, ever have traded Halliburton if I had been in their shoes. he even did not want to be traded, at the time. How many guys actually want to play for the Sacramento Kings?

(06-24-2024, 04:27 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Sacramento actually had their choice of who to include in the trade, but the addition of Fox made their front office think that they wouldn't be competitive anytime soon and that Sabonis could've walked.

So Halliburton was the one included, and Indiana was fine with that.

(06-24-2024, 04:00 PM)HoosierDaddyKidd Wrote: So, what's the reasoning or explanation why the East teams except for 2 or 3, are perennially behind the West teams?  Is it drafting, trades, free agency or a combination of all?

(06-24-2024, 03:38 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I don´t know. This is based on what? Pacers won 47 games. Kings won 46 games. The difference in their post-season success is simply in the conference and the incredible injury luck the Pacers had with the Bucks and Knicks. I´m not sure the 19/8/5 that Haliburton put up in the post-season gets you anywhere in the West. He was also atrocious for Team USA. I don´t think he´s good enough of a scorer (yet) especially in combination with a guy like Sabonis, who averaged 16 PPG in his best post-season. Siakam´s career post-season average is higher than Sabonis current peak season.

I think the combinations are perfect as they are for both teams. Siakam is a better scorer than Sabonis. Sabonis is a better passer than Siakam. Fox is a better scorer than Haliburton. Haliburton is a better passer than Fox. Good synergy on both teams.