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RE: Jason Terry - SleepingHero - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 11:48 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: What if it’s a KP-Hardaway type deal with Avdija-Shamet
We take on their bad contract they would need to attach assets to dump(Shamet). We give them our 2025 pick so they have one in next years draft. The good young player they get is Green. And we get Avdija in return
This would open some space for DJJ. Find a team willing to absorb the Powell contract and i believe we could pay DJJ his worth
This wouldn't open up any meaningful space for DJJ.
THJ+Green= 28,847,504.
Deni+Shamet= 26,625,000
Mavs total roster salary after this if they waived Lawson: 171,908,252
Total space to sign DJJ: 6,746,748
Essentially 1 mil more than TP-MLE. If they traded Powell for air they'd have, 10,746,748. And while that is close to his MLE, you have to account for at the minimum a 2nd round pick filling the last roster spot for about 1.1 mil. Which brings the total down to 9.6 mil for DJJ. Again, close to the MLE, but still far off.
Difference between a 3 year MLE deal and 3 year deal starting at 9.6 is about 12 million total.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - KillerLeft - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:02 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I really don't see Deni being available. I mean everyone is available...but. He fits their timeline and is viewed as one of their building pieces. I think it is much more likely guys like Kuzma is moved.
I agree here.
Poole is the guy they're really wanting to move, obviously, and Kuzma is much more likely to be moved than Advija, especially considering the likely Sarr pick. Sarr will probably play more 5 than 4, but there's still much more overlap with Kuzma than Advija.
I hate to say it, but I kind of feel like we can forget about Advija for a while. He's literally the only player on that team who I'd want to KEEP if I followed them.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - Mavs2021 - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 11:58 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Ok. Well, I suppose that's possible, especially given the Team Option I didn't catch at first. If it's PURELY financial, and that's the best way they can do what they need to do, I won't be mad at it.
Spotrac also says Shamet´s contract is non-guaranteed until Saturday. So if that information is accurate then we could possibly do a draft night trade of
Shamet + #26 pick for THJ + Mavs 2025 pick (lottery protected) and just waive Shamet.
Given that people say this is a historical bad draft class, while the 2025 is supposed to be very good, that might be enough of an incentive for Washington to pull the trigger.
This would obviously be a dream scenario for us. You get off THJ´s full contract with a 1st round pick swap, can re-sign DJJ and even have some money left.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - KillerLeft - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:05 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Spotrac also says Shamet´s contract is non-guaranteed until Saturday. So if that information is accurate then we could possibly do a draft night trade of
Shamet + #26 pick for THJ + Mavs 2025 pick (lottery protected) and just waive Shamet.
Given that people say this is a historical bad draft class, while the 2025 is supposed to be very good, that might be enough of an incentive for Washington to pull the trigger.
This would obviously be a dream scenario for us. You get off THJ´s full contract with a 1st round pick swap, can re-sign DJJ and even have some money left.
So, that's the thing I didn't know. Washington can just absorb the excess Hardaway salary, like with cap space?
If Shamet is non-guaranteed, that's a VERY interesting deal.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - SleepingHero - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 11:53 AM)YaBoyAplus Wrote: You guys like Avida more than Grant, I know he's younger, but I haven't followed much of Avida.
Those in the Avdija camp value him because of his defense and ability to lead an offense Luka style. He isn't a better shooter/scorer by any means than Grant. But he makes the hustle plays that don't show up in the stat sheet. Good box outs, deflections, just a high energy guy. He's also way younger than Grant, by 6 years.
Those in the Grant camp value him for his polished offensive game and history of being a high level 2-way player on winning teams. Though he hasn't shown much of that side the last 4 years, he's still a very talented guy. He's highly mobile for his size, and he just about fills everything we want from a forward. Downsides are his attitude (does he even want to sacrifice/play winning basketball?), defense (can he resume to trying on that end again?), and contract (dude is supremely overpaid).
I lean more toward Avdija, but there are merits for either guy.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - Mavs2021 - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: So, that's the thing I didn't know. Washington can just absorb the excess Hardaway salary, like with cap space?
If Shamet is non-guaranteed, that's a VERY interesting deal.
With all these complex rules, Í´m not sure anymore what is legal or not.
I think the trade Shamet for THJ should be a legal match. Then the Mavs can do whatever they want with Shamet. That should not concern Washington anymore. But with all these new rules, who knows anymore.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - mvossman - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:05 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Spotrac also says Shamet´s contract is non-guaranteed until Saturday. So if that information is accurate then we could possibly do a draft night trade of
Shamet + #26 pick for THJ + Mavs 2025 pick (lottery protected) and just waive Shamet.
Given that people say this is a historical bad draft class, while the 2025 is supposed to be very good, that might be enough of an incentive for Washington to pull the trigger.
This would obviously be a dream scenario for us. You get off THJ´s full contract with a 1st round pick swap, can re-sign DJJ and even have some money left.
Can you trade non guaranteed contract in salary match? If so, and we trading firsts to dump Timmy (and Shamet), I could get behind that.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - Smitty - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:13 PM)mvossman Wrote: Can you trade non guaranteed contract in salary match? If so, and we trading firsts to dump Timmy (and Shamet), I could get behind that.
His salary must be guaranteed.
Per MavsCBA: To be counted in the trade math….the salary has to be guaranteed.
And if you waive guaranteed salary you can stretch it but it will all eventually count as dead money.
It can be offset a small amount if the player is signed by another team. It’s not much though.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - Mavs2021 - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:13 PM)mvossman Wrote: Can you trade non guaranteed contract in salary match? If so, and we trading firsts to dump Timmy, I could get behind that.
I got no clue anymore, probably not. The whole contract is weird. 2nd to last year is non-guaranteed and the last year is a club option. That´s virtually a two year team option.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - KillerLeft - 06-24-2024
So, the problem (if I'm understanding all of this) is that even if DJJ doesn't require the FULL MLE ($12.9M), the Mavs still have to free it up to sign him BY USING A PORTION OF IT.
So, the difference in the Shamet/Hardaway contracts, doesn't do it, I don't think, EVEN if the difference DOES cover what DJJ will accept.
EDIT: now that we know this year of his salary must be guaranteed to make the trade legal, I don't see what this gets you unless the next move is a stretch waive (yuck). There would have to be another salary dump of some kind, I think.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - KillerLeft - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:13 PM)Smitty Wrote: His salary must be guaranteed.
Per MavsCBA: To be counted in the trade math….the salary has to be guaranteed.
And if you waive guaranteed salary you can stretch it but it will all eventually count as dead money.
It can be offset a small amount if the player is signed by another team. It’s not much though.
Damn. Nevermind.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - Mavs2021 - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: So, the problem (if I'm understanding all of this) is that even if DJJ doesn't require the FULL MLE ($12.9M), the Mavs still have to free it up to sign him BY USING A PORTION OF IT.
So, the difference in the Shamet/Hardaway contracts, doesn't do it, I don't think, EVEN if the difference DOES cover what DJJ will accept.
But, if he's really non-guaranteed until Saturday, that would be a game changer.
So apparently that does not work, but imho the Mavs plan is a two-step process to get to DJJ money.
1) a deal like Shamet for THJ that generates +5.2
2) a S&T deal like Jalen Smith (18/3) for Kleber that generates +6.0
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - omahen - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:13 PM)Smitty Wrote: His salary must be guaranteed.
Per MavsCBA: To be counted in the trade math….the salary has to be guaranteed.
And if you waive guaranteed salary you can stretch it but it will all eventually count as dead money.
It can be offset a small amount if the player is signed by another team. It’s not much though.
Only the guaranteed part counts for outgoing salary. Which means Washington would have to have cap space to do the trade, but then why even bother including Shamet, if the whole goal is just to dump him.
So I guess it really is just about the difference in salary. Mavs are trading a better player for a worse one. Both expiring, better player is 6 mil more expensive. However (the complicated part), Washington could just dump Shamet by non guaranteeing him. So they are effectively still eating whole THJ salary. I would still hope for minimum compensation. I am also totally ok with 2024 Washington pick swap with 2025 Mavs pick.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - SleepingHero - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: So, that's the thing I didn't know. Washington can just absorb the excess Hardaway salary, like with cap space?
If Shamet is non-guaranteed, that's a VERY interesting deal.
Washington's current salary for the entire roster is 147,738,573. They are one of the few teams just straggling the cap line.
A swap of THJ and Shamet in 2023 should be legal (unless I'm missing a caveat).
Mavs would generate about 6 million this season and if they waive Shamet, the entirety of THJ's contract.
Mavs roster number is now: 160,058,256 with 18,596,744 of space before the 1st apron.
If DJJ takes the entire MLE, the Mavs are left with about 5.7 mil of space before the 1st apron and need to fill 1 roster spot. Lets assume the last roster spot is a 2nd round pick of 1.1 mil. That leaves the Mavs with ~4.6 mil of space.
They still have Green+Maxi+Lawson (total of 25,775,004) to package. They obviously can't do a 3 for 1 trade cause they have roster spot considerations to adhere to. But if they wanted to do a 2 for 3 deal where the total salary is about 27 mil, the Mavs can do it, sign a vet min guy, and stay under the 1st apron.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - SleepingHero - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:13 PM)Smitty Wrote: His salary must be guaranteed.
Per MavsCBA: To be counted in the trade math….the salary has to be guaranteed.
And if you waive guaranteed salary you can stretch it but it will all eventually count as dead money.
It can be offset a small amount if the player is signed by another team. It’s not much though.
If they make this trade in July, yes, his salary has to be guaranteed. But if they make this trade in June, then the Mavs could waive Shamet with no repercussions.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - SleepingHero - 06-24-2024
Josh Mazur (@MazurFocus)
Detroit, Atlanta, Miami, and Washington are potential THJ landing spots. Those teams have been contacted, no word on what players would be involved in potential swaps but you could probably guess by the what $ works and what doesn't.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - KillerLeft - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:26 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: If they make this trade in July, yes, his salary has to be guaranteed. But if they make this trade in June, then the Mavs could waive Shamet with no repercussions.
If this is true, it's probably true of others, too.
Seems like we're semi-likely to see some Mavs movement this week, if so.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - SleepingHero - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:31 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If this is true, it's probably true of others, too.
Seems like we're semi-likely to see some Mavs movement this week, if so.
Yeah I don't know why CBAMavs said that. The 2024-25 season doesn't officially start until July 1st. Until then we're in 2023-24. As long as the Mavs trade for Shamet before his guarantee the Mavs can do a trade and dump pretty easily.
Its the exact same concept the Warriors are trying to do for CP3 right now.
*Asterisk here saying I don't know everything about the new CBA and I could easily be wrong. So take this with a grain of salt.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - Mavs2021 - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:26 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: If they make this trade in July, yes, his salary has to be guaranteed. But if they make this trade in June, then the Mavs could waive Shamet with no repercussions.
So it´s back on.
It´s probably easier to pass the bar than the new NBA CBA.
I wonder whether the new rules will actually increase the likelihood of trades. Feels like you need three weeks and a 15 team staff just to find a legal trade these days and who wants to roll back three weeks of work just because you fight over a few 2nd round picks.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: ATL Fire Sale? NOP Wants Young? DAL Likes Shamet? - KillerLeft - 06-24-2024
(06-24-2024, 12:34 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: It´s probably easier to pass the bar than the new NBA CBA.
It really is getting a little ridiculous.