(01-18-2024, 11:11 AM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: True. I think the smart move is to hold on to him until next season when we can use him as an expiring. 

Speaking of DJJ. I'm becoming less and less excited to make moves to clear space for him. I'd be ok with having him back, but if its me i'm not moving mountains for him.

• Kyle Kuzma
  
• Jerami Grant
  
• Tobias Harris
  
• Cam Johnson
  
• Lauri Markkannen
  
• DFS
  

• Joe Ingles
  
• Kevin Love
  
• Bojan Bogdanovic 
  
• Royce O'Neal
  
• Danillo Gallinari
  
• Harrison Barnes
  
• Jeff Green
  
• Doug McDermott
  
• Gordon Hayward
  

• Draymond Green- I mean... really?
  
• DeMar DeRozan- can't hit a 3. Basically DJJ on steroids. 
  
• Khris Middleton-injuries have sapped a lot of his effectiveness, especially defensively
  
• Klay Thompson- who wants to pony up 150mil for 14ppg on meh shooting?
  
• Miles Bridges- Compared to the others, he's a perfectly fine player. But do you really want this guy on the Mavs?
  

• Deandre Hunter
  
• Rui Hachimura
  
• Jonathan Kuminga
  
• Patrick Williams
  
• Saddiq Bey
  
• AJ Griffin-massive fall off. 
  
• PJ Washington
  
• Keldon Johnson
  

• Trey Lyles 
  
• Yuta Watanabe
  
• Taurean Prince
  
• Dario Saric 
  
• Santi Aldama
  
• Cedi Osman
  

• Ben Simmons- Draymond Green mental capabilities with more injuries and an even worse jumpshot! Yay!
  
• Andrew Wiggins- Mikal Bridges lite. Does everything on paper we're looking for. Might be mentally checked out and ready for retirement.
  

(01-18-2024, 12:05 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: If anything, DJJ's emergence for a couple of weeks shows just how valuable a consistent 15ppg 2-way wing would be on this team. One that can hit a 3 at league average rate and also create his own shot of the dribble if needed.

Who has that skillset? 

Ideally Mikal Bridges. The Nets don't want to trade him and the Mavs certainly don't have the assets this TDL, but this coming summer? 3 unprotected 1sts and expirings could be enough.

But if not him who else?

Flawed but can hit a 3:

• Kyle Kuzma
  
• Jerami Grant
  
• Tobias Harris
  
• Cam Johnson
  
• Lauri Markkannen
  
• DFS
  

(01-18-2024, 12:40 PM)omahen Wrote: Sleeping made a very extensive list, thanks. I agree Mikal Bridges would be perfect, but he doesn't seem to be available. My choice is still Jerami Grant. No one else from that list really intrigues me. Perhaps Miles Bridges, but he would come with a lot of baggage (he might be very cheap to get though).

Mavs need a third best guy and I wish we would stop hoping that some 5th best or worse would suddenly turn into a top 3 player. It really rarely happens. See GW. 90 % of the board and basically every writer thought what a great move Mavs made, now 90 % of the board wants to trade him.

Some other names (no one really brings what Mavs need, imho): Covington, the other Morris, Batum, Vando, Dort, Barnes.
Some other names that would be great but likely not available: George, JJJ, Smart, Herb Jones.

And of course the King!

(01-18-2024, 01:32 PM)mvossman Wrote: I don't think anybody looked at GWill as a legit number 3.  I think they looked at him as another quality rotational 3&D guy, and he has disappointed so far because the D is not there.  I'm afraid we will have the same disappointment with Grant.  He has not played defense in 5 years and seems more interested in being the guy, which is not going to work here.  I would prefer Cam Johnson.  He has been a quality starter for years, is taller, a better rebounder and a better defender.  He is not looking to get 20+ a game, but averages 15 a game with a good three and good at the rim.  He is also a little better distributor.  That is what we need.  Quality 2 way starters.

(01-18-2024, 01:32 PM)mvossman Wrote: I don't think anybody looked at GWill as a legit number 3.  I think they looked at him as another quality rotational 3&D guy, and he has disappointed so far because the D is not there.  I'm afraid we will have the same disappointment with Grant.  He has not played defense in 5 years and seems more interested in being the guy, which is not going to work here.  I would prefer Cam Johnson.  He has been a quality starter for years, is taller, a better rebounder and a better defender.  He is not looking to get 20+ a game, but averages 15 a game with a good three and good at the rim.  He is also a little better distributor.  That is what we need.  Quality 2 way starters.

(01-18-2024, 12:05 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: If anything, DJJ's emergence for a couple of weeks shows just how valuable a consistent 15ppg 2-way wing would be on this team. One that can hit a 3 at league average rate and also create his own shot of the dribble if needed.

Who has that skillset? 

Ideally Mikal Bridges. The Nets don't want to trade him and the Mavs certainly don't have the assets this TDL, but this coming summer? 3 unprotected 1sts and expirings could be enough.

But if not him who else?

Flawed but can hit a 3:

• Kyle Kuzma
  
• Jerami Grant
  
• Tobias Harris
  
• Cam Johnson
  
• Lauri Markkannen
  
• DFS
  

All of these guys have their warts, either defensively, attitude wise, contract wise, you name it. But they fill that role of size, being a 2-way player, and can most importantly hit a 3 consistently. Next tier.

Elder statesmen:

• Joe Ingles
  
• Kevin Love
  
• Bojan Bogdanovic 
  
• Royce O'Neal
  
• Danillo Gallinari
  
• Harrison Barnes
  
• Jeff Green
  
• Doug McDermott
  
• Gordon Hayward
  

Can hit a 3 and maybe defend if they're feeling up to it. Next tier. 

I'm also here, but you don't really want me:

• Draymond Green- I mean... really?
  
• DeMar DeRozan- can't hit a 3. Basically DJJ on steroids. 
  
• Khris Middleton-injuries have sapped a lot of his effectiveness, especially defensively
  
• Klay Thompson- who wants to pony up 150mil for 14ppg on meh shooting?
  
• Miles Bridges- Compared to the others, he's a perfectly fine player. But do you really want this guy on the Mavs?
  

You could argue for any one of these guys and say they could play a role here. But they also have some of the biggest flaws.

The Youngins

• Deandre Hunter
  
• Rui Hachimura
  
• Jonathan Kuminga
  
• Patrick Williams
  
• Saddiq Bey
  
• AJ Griffin-massive fall off. 
  
• PJ Washington
  
• Keldon Johnson
  

All of these guys are below 25 and can theoretically grow into the role we want. Their costs will vary, and there's a risk they don't pan out. 


Some random role players that might not move the needle:

• Trey Lyles 
  
• Yuta Watanabe
  
• Taurean Prince
  
• Dario Saric 
  
• Santi Aldama
  
• Cedi Osman
  

The Are You Feeling Lucky Punks?

• Ben Simmons- Draymond Green mental capabilities with more injuries and an even worse jumpshot! Yay!
  
• Andrew Wiggins- Mikal Bridges lite. Does everything on paper we're looking for. Might be mentally checked out and ready for retirement.
  

These guys are the riskiest of the bunch. If it works out you basically solved your issue for pennies on the dollar. If it doesn't? Well time for a rebuild. 

These are all the wings I could think of off the top of my head that the Mavs could try and get. Mikal Bridges is the dream. 

Feel free to add if I missed anyone.

(01-18-2024, 02:01 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I would LOVE Cam Johnson here. He'd be at the top of my list, but I'll echo the thoughts of others and suggest that it's highly unlikely he'll be available.

I know BRK is selling, but I doubt that means they're selling Bridges or Thomas.

(01-18-2024, 04:18 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: They are both 27. Neither of them are true star players but are good enough to keep you from a top pick. They don't own their pick in 2025, and 2027, and have to swap in 2024 and 2026.

So there's no reason for them to tank per se, but they're not necessarily building anything either. 

Trading away Bridges and Cam for actual prospects and stuff to build for the future is their best bet at returning to relevance.  It's tough to see what the Mavs have for them, but 3 unprotected 1sts in the summer might be enough to make them interested in a Bridges trade

(01-18-2024, 12:05 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: If anything, DJJ's emergence for a couple of weeks shows just how valuable a consistent 15ppg 2-way wing would be on this team. One that can hit a 3 at league average rate and also create his own shot of the dribble if needed.

Who has that skillset? 

Ideally Mikal Bridges. The Nets don't want to trade him and the Mavs certainly don't have the assets this TDL, but this coming summer? 3 unprotected 1sts and expirings could be enough.

But if not him who else?

Flawed but can hit a 3:

• Kyle Kuzma
  
• Jerami Grant
  
• Tobias Harris
  
• Cam Johnson
  
• Lauri Markkannen
  
• DFS
  

All of these guys have their warts, either defensively, attitude wise, contract wise, you name it. But they fill that role of size, being a 2-way player, and can most importantly hit a 3 consistently. Next tier.

Elder statesmen:

• Joe Ingles
  
• Kevin Love
  
• Bojan Bogdanovic 
  
• Royce O'Neal
  
• Danillo Gallinari
  
• Harrison Barnes
  
• Jeff Green
  
• Doug McDermott
  
• Gordon Hayward
  

Can hit a 3 and maybe defend if they're feeling up to it. Next tier. 

I'm also here, but you don't really want me:

• Draymond Green- I mean... really?
  
• DeMar DeRozan- can't hit a 3. Basically DJJ on steroids. 
  
• Khris Middleton-injuries have sapped a lot of his effectiveness, especially defensively
  
• Klay Thompson- who wants to pony up 150mil for 14ppg on meh shooting?
  
• Miles Bridges- Compared to the others, he's a perfectly fine player. But do you really want this guy on the Mavs?
  

You could argue for any one of these guys and say they could play a role here. But they also have some of the biggest flaws.

The Youngins

• Deandre Hunter
  
• Rui Hachimura
  
• Jonathan Kuminga
  
• Patrick Williams
  
• Saddiq Bey
  
• AJ Griffin-massive fall off. 
  
• PJ Washington
  
• Keldon Johnson
  

All of these guys are below 25 and can theoretically grow into the role we want. Their costs will vary, and there's a risk they don't pan out. 


Some random role players that might not move the needle:

• Trey Lyles 
  
• Yuta Watanabe
  
• Taurean Prince
  
• Dario Saric 
  
• Santi Aldama
  
• Cedi Osman
  

The Are You Feeling Lucky Punks?

• Ben Simmons- Draymond Green mental capabilities with more injuries and an even worse jumpshot! Yay!
  
• Andrew Wiggins- Mikal Bridges lite. Does everything on paper we're looking for. Might be mentally checked out and ready for retirement.
  

These guys are the riskiest of the bunch. If it works out you basically solved your issue for pennies on the dollar. If it doesn't? Well time for a rebuild. 

These are all the wings I could think of off the top of my head that the Mavs could try and get. Mikal Bridges is the dream. 

Feel free to add if I missed anyone.

(01-18-2024, 04:44 PM)HoosierDaddyKidd Wrote: Jalen Johnson of the Hawks would be one of the best of the "Youngins" if he were listed.  His game has made a sysmic jump and that made John Collins expendable. But he's more likely unattainable as part of their core.

(01-18-2024, 06:51 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Oh absolutely. Shoutout to Dan for highlighting Johnson last summer before anyone knew how good he was. But I tried to include guys who could feasibly be traded. I don't think Atlanta has any interest in trading Johnson, much like we don't have any interest in trading Lively.

(01-19-2024, 03:25 PM)F Gump Wrote: Jalen Johnson was my oft-mentioned target this past summer, not Dan's. I was the first, and the most persistent --  early on, I included him coming to DAL in trades, and if someone else's idea with ATL didn't include him, I suggested a way to do the trade with him. I thought he had showed high potential in limited minutes, but I didn't see evidence he was particularly prized by ATL. At the time it appeared he was buried on their depth chart behind Collins, and in a mix of lots of backup wings/forwards buried behind Collins and Hunter that they didn't have the minutes for.

Once Collins was sent to UT, that changed their whole mix in ATL. And since his added minutes gave him a chance to bloom, obviously he's not available now. I was hoping to see that blooming happen in DAL. Rats.

(01-19-2024, 08:05 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I really want to see this team healthy and play together for several weeks.  My main frustration about this team is the really poor losses.  Maybe I just have to change my expectation as they are not a contender.  Every team has those 6, 7, 8 or more games where they don't have it and get run out of the gym.  Those games happen.    My disappointment is the other losses.  You are going to lose games.  But I feel when you beat good teams (outside of these stinkers), you really feel like you had to play well and work to get the win.  Mavs have had too many games where they put up little resistance.  It is concerning.

Maybe it is the injuries or maybe they are a 6-9 seed and that is what happens.    But I would like to see more competitiveness as the season goes on.

(01-19-2024, 03:25 PM)F Gump Wrote: Jalen Johnson was my oft-mentioned target this past summer, not Dan's. I was the first, and the most persistent --  early on, I included him coming to DAL in trades, and if someone else's idea with ATL didn't include him, I suggested a way to do the trade with him. I thought he had showed high potential in limited minutes, but I didn't see evidence he was particularly prized by ATL. At the time it appeared he was buried on their depth chart behind Collins, and in a mix of lots of backup wings/forwards buried behind Collins and Hunter that they didn't have the minutes for.

Once Collins was sent to UT, that changed their whole mix in ATL. And since his added minutes gave him a chance to bloom, obviously he's not available now. I was hoping to see that blooming happen in DAL. Rats.