(12-21-2023, 06:53 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Luka and Exum out tomorrow for the game with everyone who has missed games.

The new training staff is doing great.  Kidding but this is comical

(12-21-2023, 12:37 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Dante Exum currently leads the team in 3p% at 42.6%. Given his troubles his first go-round in the NBA, who saw that coming? Luka-Lively-Dante. Favorite Mav trio, perhaps all-time (wasn't here in the Blackman-Aguirre years).

(12-23-2023, 11:22 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Not huge news...he has earned it.  He should be closing most games as well. 

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1738775838487707649

(12-23-2023, 11:56 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Idk, man. Seems huge to me, especially when wondering who goes to the bench.

Williams or DJJ?

(12-24-2023, 01:11 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: I actually would go even further and say that the question is not who is being replaced between Williams or DJJ but who is being replaced between Williams or Green. The last time this team healthy (minus Kleber) was that win against the Rockets in late November and at that point Kidd was starting Green over DJJ and at the time it felt like it was more because DJJ coming off the bench provided the second unit with a lot more needed size more so than Green earning the spot.

(12-24-2023, 04:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: That happened once.  DJJ has started every game but that one.  GWill has started every game.  Four of the five games Green started were because either Kyrie or Luka was out.  I’m not sure we can say “Kidd was starting” Green over DJJ when it only happened once.  

Killer is right.  Figuring out which one of DJJ and GWill sits with Exum starting is a big deal (or will be if we can ever field a healthy roster).  FWIW, Exum and GWill are +9.5 in 179 minutes.  Exum and DJJ are +14.7 in 190 minutes.  Also, Exum paired with any of Luka, Kyrie or Lively is double digit positive.  The data says this needs to be tried.  I don’t think a bench unit featuring Green, THJ, and one of GWill/DJJ with a ball handler is too small if you get a good big on the floor with them.  The problem is we don’t have the big that makes that threesome OK.

(12-21-2023, 11:26 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: DJJr would probably take it upon himself to play harder than he used to, and gets injured in the process.
Might as well sit DJJ too.

(12-24-2023, 08:17 AM)Winter Wrote: It seems to me Exum's ability to move the ball and get others involved should play into the math. I seem him finishing games for the simple reason that he has so many positives and so few negatives. But he might be better managing the second unit for the first three quarters if everyone is healthy. 

Given Kyrie's health, it may not matter. Exum is so versatile he's likely to get the starting job to cover for someone else's health.

(12-24-2023, 04:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: That happened once.  DJJ has started every game but that one.  GWill has started every game.  Four of the five games Green started were because either Kyrie or Luka was out.  I’m not sure we can say “Kidd was starting” Green over DJJ when it only happened once.  

Killer is right.  Figuring out which one of DJJ and GWill sits with Exum starting is a big deal (or will be if we can ever field a healthy roster).  FWIW, Exum and GWill are +9.5 in 179 minutes.  Exum and DJJ are +14.7 in 190 minutes.  Also, Exum paired with any of Luka, Kyrie or Lively is double digit positive.  The data says this needs to be tried.  I don’t think a bench unit featuring Green, THJ, and one of GWill/DJJ with a ball handler is too small if you get a good big on the floor with them.  The problem is we don’t have the big that makes that threesome OK.

(12-24-2023, 09:23 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Iit’s mostly semantics but with DJJ guarding the point of attack and GWill always guarding the biggest wing weak side I feel like it’s hard to label them the way 82games has. I understand the lineup data shows Exum/DJJ as a better +/- than the Exum/Williams pairing but there’s a lot of noise in there and ignores the fact that DJJ simply can’t guard a lot of the bigger wings that Williams can.

(12-24-2023, 09:23 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Green had actually started 3 games in a row before he was hurt but yes it was just the one where DJJ came off the bench when everyone is healthy.

(12-24-2023, 09:55 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: 11/25 LAC:   Green off the bench
11/28 HOU:  Green starts in place of DJJ
12/1 MEM:    Green starts in place of Luka
12/2 OKC:    Green inactive

(12-24-2023, 09:49 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: So, here are some more noisy stats.

When GWill is on the floor, the team’s D gives up 119.8 which is 1.8 points worse than when he’s off the court.  When he’s guarding the opponent’s four, the opponent achieves a PER of 21.6.

When DJJ is on the floor, the team’s D gives up 116.8 which is 4.4 points better than when he’s off the court.  When he’s guarding the opponent’s four, the opponent achieves a PER of 17.8.  

You may be too caught up in the idea that DJJ is ‘only’ a point of attack defender.  He has length and mobility that GWill doesn’t and the data says it works better in the aggregate than what GWill has been doing with his ability to body up bigger wings.

(12-24-2023, 09:49 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: So, here are some more noisy stats.

When GWill is on the floor, the team’s D gives up 119.8 which is 1.8 points worse than when he’s off the court.  When he’s guarding the opponent’s four, the opponent achieves a PER of 21.6.

When DJJ is on the floor, the team’s D gives up 116.8 which is 4.4 points better than when he’s off the court.  When he’s guarding the opponent’s four, the opponent achieves a PER of 17.8.  

You may be too caught up in the idea that DJJ is ‘only’ a point of attack defender.  He has length and mobility that GWill doesn’t and the data says it works better in the aggregate than what GWill has been doing with his ability to body up bigger wings.

(12-24-2023, 10:11 AM)Winter Wrote: You've sold me on the idea of GWill coming off the bench, in which case Green could be important as a creator with the second unit. He's not as good as our primary options, but if Kyrie, Luca, and Exum are in a starting lineup, Green's strengths could still be essential in the rotation where creation might be lacking.

It's beginning to look like Hardy might the candidate most likely to be moved in a trade (but that likely depends on salary as much as skill). While both Green and Hardy have seen some diminishing results lately, Green seems like the more versatile player at this point.