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+--- Thread: GAME 58 DIRKIE: Winner MK (95%) | Runner-up DB (5%) (/showthread.php?tid=1794)
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - Kammrath - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 11:52 AM)cow Wrote: Reminds me of when people were pointing out WCS had better +/- numbers than Maxi for a half at the beginning of the season.
1) My comment about DB's plus/minus was mostly a joke.
2) WCS was quite positively impactful early this season and Maxi definitely had some struggles early. Those are both true. But small trends can be quickly overturned. WCS wasn't able to keep things together off the court and Maxi found his stride.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - michaeltex - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 11:47 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://streamable.com/rl8wn2
Luka doin' Luka.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - cow - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 11:58 AM)Kammrath Wrote: 1) My comment about DB's plus/minus was mostly a joke.
2) WCS was quite positively impactful early this season and Maxi definitely had some struggles early. Those are both true. But small trends can be quickly overturned. WCS wasn't able to keep things together off the court and Maxi found his stride.
1) Yes, I know. No need to state the obvious.
2) WCS wasn't a joke except as a player. I told everyone what would happen and it those +/- numbers were used to try to refute my point.
3) My comment is mostly a joke but with every good joke, there is a hint of truth.
The first measuring stick of this trade is the playoffs. The next is how SD/DB are used long term as assets.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - LukTheShadow - 02-16-2022
Who can put this beauty into stats?
https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1493775961975713799?s=20&t=vgYVSdcDGNjpnDFv2QRvkg
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - Kammrath - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 12:11 PM)LukTheShadow Wrote: Who can put this beauty into stats?
+3 for everyone involved. There you go.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - cow - 02-16-2022
Hockey Assists form double teams as an advanced stat would be interesting to show a player's gravity. It probably already exists.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - SleepingHero - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 12:05 PM)michaeltex Wrote: Luka doin' Luka.
Trying to create a nickname like the Nuggets did for Jokic with the Sombor shuffle.
The Ljubljana Leg Cross doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - ItsGoTime - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 12:08 PM)cow Wrote: The first measuring stick of this trade is the playoffs. Next is JB's decision in the offseason. Then is how SD/DB are used long term as assets.FIFY
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - cow - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 12:30 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: FIFY
Hubris and all but I think JB is a done deal.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - KillerLeft - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 11:23 AM)Kammrath Wrote: @"KillerLeft" I am just being silly in all this. There is not an ounce of seriousness in this exchange for me. I TOO am giddy at the KP "problem" being behind the Mavs!
Oh, yeah, I get that, don't worry.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - ItsGoTime - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 12:31 PM)cow Wrote: Hubris and all but I think JB is a done deal.So was Goran.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - cow - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 12:35 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: So was Goran.
Eh. Really different situations. I guess Dinwiddie is the commonality between the two though.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - ItsGoTime - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 12:37 PM)cow Wrote: Eh. Really different situations. I guess Dinwiddie is the commonality between the two though.I still put the odds in our favor, less favor because of the trade, but still in our favor.
Edit: It's just 20+ games and a playoff run is a LOOOOOOOONG time!
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - dirkfansince1998 - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 12:19 PM)cow Wrote: Hockey Assists form double teams as an advanced stat would be interesting to show a player's gravity. It probably already exists.
NBA.com is tracking secondary assists but I cannot find a definition.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - Jommybone - 02-16-2022
Would like to see a stat for points assisted. Assisting a 3 should be worth more than assisting a 2. Assisting 1 made free throw should count for something, even if the second is missed. It’s dumb how we track assists without weighting them.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - Kammrath - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 12:50 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: NBA.com is tracking secondary assists but I cannot find a definition.
I assume it is, you get a "secondary assist" if you pass it to a guy who without dribbling gets an assist.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - Kammrath - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 12:55 PM)Jommybone Wrote: Would like to see a stat for points assisted. Assisting a 3 should be worth more than assisting a 2. Assisting 1 made free throw should count for something, even if the second is missed. It’s dumb how we track assists without weighting them.
For the year Luka is averaging:
58.0 passes
9.0 assists
1.1 secondary-assists
17.4 potential assists
23.2 assist-points-created
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - cow - 02-16-2022
Assists generated from a secondary-assist would be an interesting stat too.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - KillerLeft - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 01:44 PM)cow Wrote: Assists generated from a secondary-assist would be an interesting stat too.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the term (or your question) I think 100% of secondary-assists generate assists on the next pass. My understanding is that this is what makes them secondary-assists.
RE: GAME 58 DIRKIE: - cow - 02-16-2022
(02-16-2022, 01:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Unless I'm misunderstanding the term (or your question) I think 100% of secondary-assists generate assists on the next pass. My understanding is that this is what makes them secondary-assists.
Maybe phrasing it as how many of a players assists are solo assists (self generated) rather than coming from the secondary assist.
So if I dished 10 dimes and created 8 myself, 2 of my assists were helped by a secondary assist.