(02-18-2025, 05:00 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: WAY overreaction.  No way DET turns that down.

(02-18-2025, 05:53 PM)michaeltex Wrote: But don't AD and KD play the same position? Do we really want KD on the perimeter trying to guard a more mobile SF? or getting switched onto a SG?

Sorry, I can see the marquee value of adding KD, but it would make for some wonky rotations and leave real vulnerability to smaller, quicker teams. Plus, isn't the  implicit assumption that decent vet mins would choose DAL over some of the other high profile teams? Isn't supported much by history.

(02-18-2025, 06:07 PM)LukaMVP Wrote: people were mad we traded luka for an older davis and now some people dream of getting Durant who's about half a decade older?

(02-18-2025, 06:02 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I thought KD would be a target at the trade deadline at some point.  Although after thinking about it and what it will cost, I am thinking that it won't happen.  I believe both Gafford and PJ would HAVE to be included in any trade with all our picks to get PHX attention.    Knowing it will take a lot more, makes me think it is a pipedream.

If you take the Luka mess away for a moment, you can see the team they are looking to build.  With the age and play style, it needs to be a deep team.    big guys inside and length on the wings.  I really think they need to prioritze a deep roster and not cheap minimum type guys.   

The issue, even if you think there is a path to contention, the roster is not there yet.  I am having trouble to find that last guy who can be a third best player on a championship team.    Ideally, we would have debates if the third best player is player X, Lively or PJ.

(02-18-2025, 05:57 PM)LukaMVP Wrote: KD is still a great scorer and also contributes in defense even at his age but he's not worth giving up half of our rotation guys who are competent, hardworking and paid reasonably. the supporting cast we have now isn't that easy to assemble imho.

(02-18-2025, 06:15 PM)F Gump Wrote: I agree that you don't strip down the team to bring in KD.

OTOH, while I'd be very comfortable if they said no to a KD deal because of the massive salary and what it does to the team as a whole, is there anyone in this list that you really can't live without, if this could get you KD?
Klay, Gafford, Martin, Marshall, Powell, OMax, Hardy, 2025 1st, other draft capital?

(02-18-2025, 06:16 PM)LukaMVP Wrote: davis (if he stays healthy), luka (when he isn't so fat) and Durant are basically the same level of players. luka is the most valuable of the three because of age. while Durant is still a great player, his value is rather limited due to his age imho. he's no LeBron. if he really desires to join us and could be get for a reasonable price (knowing he'd only have one year left on contract), however, it would be a good deal for us.

(02-18-2025, 06:35 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Again, not advocating for a trade here but I will say I would expect KD's game to age even more gracefully than Lebron's given that it's strongly predicated on simply getting to his spots and shooting over people.

(02-18-2025, 06:54 PM)LukaMVP Wrote: KD is definitely more valuable than CP3 at the same age but I doubt Phoenix realistically expect to sell him without a discount, since he's two years older now. the lack of bidders and KD's personal desire may help quench the price to a reasonable level where we can afford hopefully.

(02-18-2025, 06:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: His scoring game has aged gracefully, and will probably continue to do so. I don't think that right now, this second, he's still a physical enough player to build a championship team around, and I think that's part of why it didn't work in BRK or in PHX. (part). 

I am going to choose to continue to ignore this rumor, because I can't see it, personally. I think Harrison meant what he said about defense. Not saying I agree, just that I think he believes it, and bringing KD here wouldn't jive with that, imho. 

I think they are a PG and some health luck away from being a contender.

(02-18-2025, 06:15 PM)F Gump Wrote: I agree that you don't strip down the team to bring in KD.

OTOH, while I'd be very comfortable if they said no to a KD deal because of the massive salary and what it does to the team as a whole, is there anyone in this list that you really can't live without, if this could get you KD?
Klay, Gafford, Martin, Marshall, Powell, OMax, Hardy, 2025 1st, other draft capital?

(02-18-2025, 11:02 PM)The Jom Wrote: Sorry to be late to the party here. But can someone remind me why we’re talking about KD? Is there any reason to think that this is something more than a pipe dream?

(02-18-2025, 11:02 PM)The Jom Wrote: Sorry to be late to the party here. But can someone remind me why we’re talking about KD? Is there any reason to think that this is something more than a pipe dream?

(02-18-2025, 07:09 PM)mvossman Wrote: He let DJJ walk in order to go after Klay.  The only consistent thing we have seen with Nico at the wheel (other than getting fleeced in trades) without Linsey influence is trading for his guys (Kyrie, Klay, AD).  We will see, but I am afraid this is more wishful thinking than a logical extension of Nico pattern.

If that PG is a quality 2 way starter with size, then it may be a contender.  Unfortunately there is a lot more noise around KD than anybody fitting that description.

(02-19-2025, 03:00 AM)audiosway Wrote: Actually Nico signed Naji Marshall as the DJJ upgrade. Naji got slotted into the contract that would have gone to DJJ. They just didn't want to keep him at the price the Clippers paid is my understanding.

I think Naji is a better fit overall. He's a great defender but he's also a playmaker and shooter. DJJ was just a great defender. His shooting has been improving. But, he's not to the level of Naji.