(10-23-2023, 05:31 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think this was a mistake.  Yes, congrats to Nico in the near term.  $13.7mm is good value for the team.  It also makes team salary manageable next season.

But after two years of this deal (so 3 from now when he's 25) Josh will be extension eligible and we won't be able to extend him because 140% of his final year is only $20mm.  So, Josh will be a full on UFA in 2027.  We will either pay dearly for this or lose him altogether.  My range was $14mm-$16mm, so $13.7mm isn't that far off.  But, I'm not a fan of the 3 year term.

(10-23-2023, 06:45 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'd call it advancing the conversation rather than nitpicking.  I acknowledged the positives.  Those are obvious.  

But, how many posts have we seen that took the time to even think about what this does down the road.  Nico's job is bigger than just what this does to the 24/25 cap.  He has to think through extensions and I'm saying right now that Josh won't extend off of this number.  You can take the season to evaluate if you'd like.  I don't think it will take that long.      

I think we collectively seem to anchor to negative things with certain players.  Brunson was 'unplayable' in the playoffs until he wasn't.  But, people are still anchored to Green not taking open shots against Gobert in the playoffs.  He's not the same guy.  Kidd is an idiot regarding just about any topic around here unless its his decision to start Holiday for a few games.  Then, its an indictment on how good Green is.

The upside is really high here.  It doesn't take a leap.  It just takes him doing what he does when he gets PT.  Ideally, I'd like to be able to see Josh get another extension 3 years from now.  I think we'll all eventually get to a point where we all agree this is a problem.  Until then, at least this should clear up any team shenanigan's surrounding his playing time or role.

(10-23-2023, 06:45 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'd call it advancing the conversation rather than nitpicking.  I acknowledged the positives.  Those are obvious.  

But, how many posts have we seen that took the time to even think about what this does down the road.  Nico's job is bigger than just what this does to the 24/25 cap.  He has to think through extensions and I'm saying right now that Josh won't extend off of this number.  You can take the season to evaluate if you'd like.  I don't think it will take that long.      

I think we collectively seem to anchor to negative things with certain players.  Brunson was 'unplayable' in the playoffs until he wasn't.  But, people are still anchored to Green not taking open shots against Gobert in the playoffs.  He's not the same guy.  Kidd is an idiot regarding just about any topic around here unless its his decision to start Holiday for a few games.  Then, its an indictment on how good Green is.

The upside is really high here.  It doesn't take a leap.  It just takes him doing what he does when he gets PT.  Ideally, I'd like to be able to see Josh get another extension 3 years from now.  I think we'll all eventually get to a point where we all agree this is a problem.  Until then, at least this should clear up any team shenanigan's surrounding his playing time or role.

(10-24-2023, 04:33 AM)Halfnir Wrote: So glad that Green is locked up for another 4 years on a very reasonable contract before the season starts. Now the Mavs can fully commit to him and try to get the most out of him without the fear of having to pay him too much if he performs very well.

(10-24-2023, 05:42 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: [Brad Townsend] Mavericks media notes list this probable starting 5 for tomorrow night: Derrick Jones Jr., Grant Williams, Dereck Lively II, Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncic.

(10-24-2023, 05:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Wow. Kidd is really just not a Green fan, is he?

(10-24-2023, 06:19 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Thought Green was out with an ankle injury.

(10-24-2023, 05:42 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: [Brad Townsend] Mavericks media notes list this probable starting 5 for tomorrow night: Derrick Jones Jr., Grant Williams, Dereck Lively II, Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncic.

(10-26-2023, 12:06 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Jason Kidd says starting Maxi Kleber was a defense assignment for tonight and to protect Dereck Lively II from foul trouble.

“As we go forward, we understand that Lively will start at some point… He’s about the team and you saw that tonight and that’s what makes him special.”

https://twitter.com/sixfivelando/status/1717405868898009285

(10-26-2023, 06:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: What we really need is one more guy who takes the DJJ/Exum/Curry minutes (23 last night).  We essentially ran a playoff-tight 7 man rotation with these three guys sharing an 8th spot.  Each of them has an NBA skill, but not all the skills a rotation player needs.  This kind of points out the beauty of someone like Green.  He does all of the things that are the best skills of those three guys (D, secondary creation and outside shooting) at a fairly high level and is only 22.  We could probably use another Green, not less of the one we have.

(10-26-2023, 07:04 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Hardy is still on the team, right?