(10-23-2023, 03:33 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: So now that you have your two role players wrapped up for 4 years in Grant Williams and Josh Green, I'm more than happy to play the OG trade game for everything else on the table.

Hardaway/Holmes/Hardy/Omax/27 FRP is probably the best package I could see us putting together.  Would that be enough for OG/filler (thad young and garrett temple)?  Is that too much?  All kind of depends on how the Raptors season goes obviously but it's interesting to think about what the front office does with those 5 assets in February.

(10-23-2023, 03:42 PM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: I think that may a little for much OG. 

That's essentially 3 first rounders if you count Jaden having 1st round value now. Not to mention Hardaway having some type of value as a 14 PPG scorer off the bench. 

I dont see the hype with OMax, but i think i'd like to see him for a half season at least.

(10-23-2023, 03:45 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Ya it's a little steep for my taste as well.  I'm more guessing what will be asked for in a trade like that.

One thing I will say is I think this board overvalues Hardy a bit.  I love watching him play but I still think there's a ton of decision making maturity that needs to be shown before he's solidified himself as a solid NBA rotation player.

(10-23-2023, 03:45 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Ya it's a little steep for my taste as well.  I'm more guessing what will be asked for in a trade like that.

One thing I will say is I think this board overvalues Hardy a bit.  I love watching him play but I still think there's a ton of decision making maturity that needs to be shown before he's solidified himself as a solid NBA rotation player.

(10-23-2023, 03:41 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Good news. Basically the same AAV as Grant Williams.

Guessing it was Josh and his agent that wanted one less year. He’ll still be in his prime and in line for a bigger deal at the end of this one. Good compromise for both sides.

Holmes and Hardaway are the only bad contracts left. Both will be expiring next season.

(10-23-2023, 02:49 PM)omahen Wrote: What would we do without you

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Good deal. If Green takes a couple of steps forward, they have a player with a great contract. If he doesn't, he is not overpaid as a bench rotation player.

(10-23-2023, 03:13 PM)Jym Wrote: $13.7 mil a year.
Hard to argue with that. Was gonna consider anything under $15 mil a year to be reasonable

(10-23-2023, 03:57 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: It's a hell of a deal.  Well done, Nico.

(10-23-2023, 05:31 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think this was a mistake.  Yes, congrats to Nico in the near term.  $13.7mm is good value for the team.  It also makes team salary manageable next season.

But after two years of this deal (so 3 from now when he's 25) Josh will be extension eligible and we won't be able to extend him because 140% of his final year is only $20mm.  So, Josh will be a full on UFA in 2027.  We will either pay dearly for this or lose him altogether.  My range was $14mm-$16mm, so $13.7mm isn't that far off.  But, I'm not a fan of the 3 year term.

(10-23-2023, 02:48 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Shams chose violence. 3 years 41 million. 13.67 mil per year average.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1716540547987571050?s=20

(10-23-2023, 05:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: don't you think that's kind of a nitpick? 

I mean, I'm willing to accept that potential downside if we get to avoid all the talking points about his coming free agency this year. I realize your point is that they kicked that stress down the road, but can we see the kid play in the rotation for a season before we worry about whether or not losing him in 2027 would be a huge negative?

(10-23-2023, 05:31 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think this was a mistake.  Yes, congrats to Nico in the near term.  $13.7mm is good value for the team.  It also makes team salary manageable next season.

But after two years of this deal (so 3 from now when he's 25) Josh will be extension eligible and we won't be able to extend him because 140% of his final year is only $20mm.  So, Josh will be a full on UFA in 2027.  We will either pay dearly for this or lose him altogether.  My range was $14mm-$16mm, so $13.7mm isn't that far off.  But, I'm not a fan of the 3 year term.

(10-23-2023, 06:45 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: But, how many posts have we seen that took the time to even think about what this does down the road. 

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The upside is really high here.  It doesn't take a leap.  It just takes him doing what he does when he gets PT. 

(10-23-2023, 02:48 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Shams chose violence. 3 years 41 million. 13.67 mil per year average.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1716540547987571050?s=20

(09-15-2023, 05:14 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: You and I perceive this potential risk differently. Only way Green is getting an offer close to that is if he completely looks like a different player and takes a huge step for this team. One I hope that happens by the way. But even if it does happen then the Mavs just match said deal and move on. He'd obviously be worth it. Should the very (and I believe VERY) unlikely reality that some desperate team throws Green a 4/80 deal next summer after he puts up a season that looked largely like the last 2 then you wrangle a SnT and wish Green good luck.  The new cap rules punishes teams brutally for going over the 2nd cap and the days of overpaying the 4th-8th guys seem to be long gone. 

If a guy like Reaves got 4/54 (after doing more in 1 season than Green has in 3 years) then I can't see how Green gets close to a 70mil offer. I'm going to tentatively submit a 4/55 deal but hope its closer to 4/44.

(10-24-2023, 04:33 AM)Halfnir Wrote: So glad that Green is locked up for another 4 years on a very reasonable contract before the season starts. Now the Mavs can fully commit to him and try to get the most out of him without the fear of having to pay him too much if he performs very well.

In 2027 everyone will know what Josh Green is as a player and will have to pay accordingly (upside will be reduced to a minimum). Mavs will have full bird rights and can plan ahead if they want to keep him.