(09-14-2023, 07:31 PM)Benskix2 Wrote: There are just too many nights when Tim gives the team absolutely nothing.  He's an average player, who plays good sometimes, but 20-25% of the time he's just so damned bad that it's almost an automatic loss.  It's really hard to overcome when a guy plays half the game and scores 2-5 points and doesn't impact the defense or team rebounding positively. And it's not like he's setting up his teammates. If we can't find someone more consistent to take his minutes we'll be out of the playoffs again.

(09-15-2023, 10:18 AM)mvossman Wrote: I have seen this argument a lot, and I am curious if Tim has any more variance in his outcomes than other high volume shooters who score the majority of their points form the 3.  The closest to Tim we have had on this team lately is probably Bullock, and he had at least as much variance as Tim.

(09-13-2023, 04:59 PM)mvossman Wrote: Just as an exercise, I went back and looked at the 2021 UFA class to see how good/bad Timmy's contract looks in comparison.  For a metric, I used EPM estimated win value across the last two years since the contracts signed compared to the average yearly salary.  Tim had a total win value of roughly 8 and a yearly salary of roughly 19 mil.  Here are the other UFAs:

Kawhi.  44 mil, 11 wins.  He has played 53 games in two years.  The metric says he is lower value, but I'm guessing we would all take him over Tim
Paul.  30 mil, 19 wins.  More valuable by the metric, but not sure that will apply to last 2 years of his contract
Lowry.  28 mil, 12 wins.  Draw
Derozan.  28 mil, 22 wins.  Better.  I preferred this to Timmy at the time, but who knows how that would have worked with Luka
Conley.  23 mil, 17.  Better
Founier.  18 mil, 4 wins.  Worse
Norman.  18 mil, 4 wins.  Worse
Din.  18 mil, 14 wins.  Better
Rose.  15 mil, 2 wins.  Worse
Doug.  14 mil, 0 wins.  Worse
Oubre.  13 mil, 7 wins.  Better
Olynk.  12 mil, 7 wins.  Better
Holmes.  12 mil, 2 wins.  worse
Jackson.  11 mil, 6 wins.  Better
Burks.  10 mil, 10 wins.  Better
Bullock.  10 mil, 2 wins.  Worse
Green.  10 mil, 1 win.  Worse
Caruso.  10 mil, 8 wins.  Better
Noel.  9 mil, 0 wins.  Worse
Kemba.  9 mil, 0 wins.  Worse
Theis.  9 mil, 1 win.  Worse

Tim is middle of the pack, and this sample includes his only major injury he has had in his career.  The point of this is to point out how expensive UFA players are.  If you are not one of the top destination markets, this is a really strong argument to put a lot of focus on the draft, because its where most value is going to come from.  It is also a strong argument to hold on to the good players you draft because the alternative free agent cost is big.

(09-15-2023, 01:33 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I can't tell you how much I loathe the market value argument. There are winners and losers in the offseason, the losers use market value in their defense. That's the most simple way I can explain my disdain.

(09-16-2023, 12:36 PM)omahen Wrote: So it is official now

https://www.mavs.com/morris-re-signs/

(09-13-2023, 04:05 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Not surprised at all. THJ’s performance last year as a whole was not better than Green’s as a whole IMO. Green also has the benefit of possible upside where THJ is who he is. However, the statement I made was not a comparison of the 4 players.

THJ has always been an odd fit, even in the RC years where even you said he was not that good off the bench. It’s because of him only being a good contributor if a list of things go his way and are set up for him. It’s as if we have to build the team around him, and he’s not good enough to build around. It’s not as bad as KP, because KP more or less demanded we build around him, but it’s like unto it.

(09-20-2023, 07:11 PM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: I mean, if Houston really wants KPJ gone that badly that they will include Eason, of course we should do that deal. Colour me skeptical. It’s more likely they know what they have in Eason. If the rotation there looks something like Sengun, Jabari, Brooks, Jalen Green, FVV. Landale, Eason, Tate, Cam, Amen off the bench. They have  some seriously talented young guys. If it’s Holmes for KPJ and Eason we need to send an asset. Not even sure if the trade is legal anyway. If it’s THJ in place of Holmes I think they still want something back. Maybe a lottery protected pick? I value Eason as a mid to late lotto pick. I agree with those who think he has All-NBA defense potential. He would look sick next to Josh Green, Omax and Lively. That said, maybe we think we have our own Eason-in-Waiting in Omax and the FO would see him as redundant.

(09-22-2023, 12:06 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I saw the Mavs are bringing Dexter Dennis to camp to try to earn a two way spot.  If AJ Lawson keeps his spot, then we should have one spot available.  Factoring in Miles keeping his.

Here are the players competing for the final spot:
Greg Brown
Dexter Dennis
Jelly Walker
Joe Wieskamp


I thought we also invited the high flyer from the summer league team but don’t see him listed.

So who do you think gets the last spot?

(09-22-2023, 12:06 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I saw the Mavs are bringing Dexter Dennis to camp to try to earn a two way spot.  If AJ Lawson keeps his spot, then we should have one spot available.  Factoring in Miles keeping his.

Here are the players competing for the final spot:
Greg Brown
Dexter Dennis
Jelly Walker
Joe Wieskamp


I thought we also invited the high flyer from the summer league team but don’t see him listed.

So who do you think gets the last spot?

(09-23-2023, 01:25 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: https://x.com/mavsfilmroom/status/1705649328793211017?s=46&t=iwQP5yZoJF3Ulzfb9MH7Cg

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https://x.com/mavsfilmroom/status/1705649647677751379?s=46&t=iwQP5yZoJF3Ulzfb9MH7Cg

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https://x.com/mavsfilmroom/status/1705649979556299128?s=46&t=iwQP5yZoJF3Ulzfb9MH7Cg

(09-23-2023, 01:41 PM)omahen Wrote: The plan to try and start Lively and OMax is "great" news for Green, who is negotiating his extension Basically saying they don't see him as a starter.