(12-22-2024, 08:07 PM)mvossman Wrote: No, I'm saying that first would be for DFS.  Its a crappy late round first and Maxi is probably a negative asset with his salary, injury history and offensive issues.

(12-22-2024, 06:28 PM)F Gump Wrote: Maxi-Powell-Exum vs Maxi-Powell-Hardy, that forces consideration of whether you'd rather have Hardy at 6M in future years, or you'd rather have the 6M to spend elsewhere.

I'd be inclined to let him go. The Nets might see him as an asset (and maybe he is) and I think I'd rather go ahead and cash in. I think cap room and hard cap issues will continue to make contract sizes a factor in their roster-building.

(12-22-2024, 01:08 PM)F Gump Wrote: Significantly short of fitting into hard cap (by about $4M). Adding minimum salary players (like Morris) to a package don't help, since you then have to turn around and re-fill the empty slot - and that new player will get AT LEAST minimum salary.

(12-22-2024, 11:43 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't really see how he'd help insulate against losing Grimes, however. I think they're totally different players who fit into totally different roles on both sides of the court. You kind of lost me on that one.

(12-23-2024, 08:57 AM)DL2RimRocker Wrote: Perhaps I'm missing something, but Morris would be nothing more than salary match to get the deal done in that trade scenario.
I'm sure Nets get much better offers for DFS than two 2nd rounders while taking on a contract like Maxi's, but my point is that it would be sweet if Nico could pull off a deal for DFS without giving up our 2025 first, OMax or anyone in our current rotation.

(12-23-2024, 09:42 AM)RGP1981 Wrote: Kleber for Portis would be better and more preferable than Grimes for DFS, I think.

G: Kyrie, Spencer
G: Grimes, Naji
F: Luka, Klay
F: PJW, Portis
C: Lively, Gafford

(12-23-2024, 02:16 PM)F Gump Wrote: Forget my comment about the uselessness of including minimum salary players.

The point is that Maxi-Morris is not a legal trade for DFS. More incoming salary than outgoing pushes them over the hard cap at Apron 1, which is not allowed. Also, Mavs are committed to Morris as 15th man, so another dead end. 

MY SIDE POINT WAS ....The hard cap makes the Mavs send as much or more outgoing (they are right near that number), and there's a salary diff of 4M between Maxi and DFS. But for hard cap purposes,  you cant make up any of that 4M difference by simply adding minimum outgoing salaries, since you have to come back after the trade and refill those empty slots with a player (who of course makes at least the minimum that you sent away!). That hard cap changes and complicates the trade possibilities, and it's not flexible.

(12-23-2024, 03:17 PM)DL2RimRocker Wrote: Ok...thanks for clearing that up!
If Im understanding this correctly, that means we can't trade for DFS because we don't have matching one-to-one salaries?

(12-23-2024, 02:27 PM)F Gump Wrote: MIL would only trade P to get an upgrade. Their trade aim is improving now, not future considerations. Do you think they would see Maxi as an upgrade? 

I think P could be available but from MIL pov Maxi isn't the return they'd want.

(12-23-2024, 03:51 PM)F Gump Wrote: It's harder without an easy one for one. But the last page or two in this thread has multiple posts about possibilities.

If sending away multiple players for DFS, Mavs have to send away MORE salary than they get back, enough extra to allow payroll room to subsequently refill the roster and stay under that hard cap.

They have multiple obstacles, not just the hard cap (which severely limits choices to consider) but also the reality that their depth is a real asset and they have good use for (and good contract for) about all 15 players. That means trade options that will truly make them better are probably very limited. Also, it's hard to see where they have minutes to play a player they trade for, which kinda makes a trade not worth the cost.

I like DJJ or DFS or maybe Portis as good adds of 2 way players with contracts priced right (to me, a MAJOR part of who makes sense and who doesnt). But if I'm being practical, sitting pat sure seems like it might make more sense than what any of those are likely to cost in both players, picks, and turmoil to the roster. OTOH they did it last year in a major shakeup that was worth it, so who knows?

(12-23-2024, 03:51 PM)F Gump Wrote: I like DJJ or DFS or maybe Portis as good adds of 2 way players with contracts priced right (to me, a MAJOR part of who makes sense and who doesnt). But if I'm being practical, sitting pat sure seems like it might make more sense than what any of those are likely to cost in both players, picks, and turmoil to the roster. OTOH they did it last year in a major shakeup that was worth it, so who knows?

(12-23-2024, 04:13 PM)Jym Wrote: Yeah I'm not too eager to send out another 1st rounder for a backup 
If we pay that, we need someone that could/should replace Klay at SF

(12-23-2024, 04:13 PM)Jym Wrote: Yeah I'm not too eager to send out another 1st rounder for a backup 
If we pay that, we need someone that could/should replace Klay at SF

(12-23-2024, 04:35 PM)F Gump Wrote: I don't think Mavs have interest in moving Klay out, and instead see him as evolving into a key part of their success. He's been better as he gets familiar. 

But fwiw he's a straight swap for DFS if you're interested. I don't see how K fits in BKN but he has plenty of interest around the league to make it a very easily doable 3 way imo. Stupid, imo, but not hard to make happen (and likely thats all it costs) if you don't want K.