(01-17-2026, 06:07 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: The Mavs will just keep AD if he has no value like some are claiming. You don't give away elite talent just because. Bring him back next year, hope he can stay healthy and rebuild his value, but don't give him away now. They can give him away anytime. What's the rush. Get value or keep him.

(01-17-2026, 06:07 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: The Mavs will just keep AD if he has no value like some are claiming. You don't give away elite talent just because. Bring him back next year, hope he can stay healthy and rebuild his value, but don't give him away now. They can give him away anytime. What's the rush. Get value or keep him.

(01-18-2026, 11:07 AM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: There are different levels of "giving him away."

It started a month ago with hopefully we can get a good young player and a 1st for AD.

Then it was hopefully we can get a 1st OR a good young player.  (where we are now)

Next injury it'll be please just give us some expiring salaries.

Eventually it'll be like the Porzingis deal where you have to take on a bad salary like Bertans just to get him off your roster.  

The chances that AD has a healthy summer, shows up to camp in shape, plays 30-40 games healthy for the Mavs next year to re-establish his trade value are about 10%.

(01-18-2026, 01:49 PM)Tyler Wrote: I was thinking about potential AD to Milwaukee trades this morning, and had a random thought. Assuming Turner would have to be part of the deal, wouldn't Atlanta love to have him? As part of the larger trade, what if Dallas forwards Turner to Atlanta for KP's expiring. In addition, Milwaukee sends the rights to the lesser of the Bucks/Pelicans picks this year to Atlanta and the Hawks send the rights to the better of those picks to Dallas. It's an interesting potential method to pry the Pelicans pick away from Atlanta while still leaving the Hawks with a good pick this year.

(01-18-2026, 03:45 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/fixy9a6NcC

This is probably true.  I would be surprised if Giannis signs and extension this summer.  If he doesn’t, things may move quick.  Even if he doest demand a trade.  If I had a 15% shot at Giannis, I would probably resist using my assets at the trade deadline.

(01-18-2026, 03:26 AM)F Gump Wrote:  
Part of the disconnect is because so many come at it from what I think is the wrong perspective. They are trying to define what they think other teams can, or will, offer the Mavs for AD these days. But his "value" can only be defined by an actual trade (what a buyer will pay, and the seller will sell for) and theorizing what teams might prefer to offer is really short of answering the question of what a trade would look like if it happens, because it completely ignores the question of what it would take for the Mavs to say yes.

It is in THAT context - what I think it would take for the Mavs to be interested and perhaps say yes - that I have been addressing the question of what is needed for an AD trade. The Mavs imo are expecting a certain amount of TALENT in return, to let go of AD, which can come via pick(s) or very good players, and I think most of the offers here fall well short of that. You (and others) don't like my pov, but let's see if he gets sold for a lot less. I don't think it will happen.

(01-19-2026, 12:07 PM)F Gump Wrote: My sincere belief is that the Mavs (or, to be specific, Dumont) are expecting X-Y-Z for AD or else they just won't deal.

(01-19-2026, 12:07 PM)F Gump Wrote: DS, not sure you quite get the gist of my post. I will try again. 

If you want to say I'm unrealistic, are you saying you think I am not properly perceiving the MAVS' approach or mindset? My thinking is that if the Mavs won't deal, there is no deal, so to me what matters is "what will the Mavs do a deal for." I am opining from that angle, as I perceive it to be.

I get the pushback that "other teams won't want to pay that much." Sure, they all would want a steal, right? (Then again, do we REALLY know what a team will truly pay? They aren't wanting outsiders to know their top limit, that's for sure.) But in any event, other teams' won't dictate what an actual trade will look like -- the Mavs HAVE TO be thrilled enough to pull the trigger at that level.

If they do a trade, I do reserve the right to say whether I think it's a stupid trade or not. But at this point, I am thinking about what I think a trade COULD look like, if it were to happen (in light of what I think the Mavs are doing), and not what it should look like.

My sincere belief is that the Mavs (or, to be specific, Dumont) are expecting X-Y-Z for AD or else they just won't deal. From what I am seeing and from what I think I know, I don't think they are all that interested in trading AD if they don't get offers satisfying that criteria -- ie, I don't think they are scared of a no-trade outcome. 

To satisfy the Mavs, I think the bar is fairly high, and essentially is that they will expect to get a path to some sort of BIG TALENT, a top starter at least, either now or via a reasonable chance of eventually being there (if it's a younger player or a pick or three), because that's how THEY see what they would be letting go of (AD). (Note: I'm not convinced they see Risacher as meeting that criteria - his inclusion may have been important to them primarily because he has a larger salary, and they were needing more salary to make the trade work.) While helpful, I don't think they see payroll savings as being a primary goal. They can get that a number of other ways, but they can't get a star big man like AD other ways. (Of course, if they otherwise have decided to move AD, they would certainly want to wrap those savings in that deal rather than have to chase them another way.)

I try to talk about an AD trade with those things in mind. 

For those who think AD is worthless and needs to be moved no matter what, obviously to them what I am saying is not "realistic," but I don't think the Mavs feel that way about AD at all - and thus won't bargain that way. And AD - even with his flaws - is not easy to replace and uniquely fills a huge number of vital needs for a team. I think the NBA (and particularly the Mavs) value that way more than most seem to. 

Also, your point about the danger of waiting is way off point for me. [In general, it's a valid thing to weigh, but I have not been speaking to that issue at all.] 

Sure, any choice has risk. But I am not evaluating risk/reward on trade/no trade at all, but only opining on what I think trade offers will need to look like (more or less) to get AD from the Mavs.

PS - The Mavs need that expert GM, not any ole exec, to figure these things out and avoid the land mines. Presti, please! I know Dumont can afford to pay for the best, right?

(01-19-2026, 12:07 PM)F Gump Wrote:  
If you want to say I'm unrealistic, are you saying you think I am not properly perceiving the MAVS' approach or mindset? My thinking is that if the Mavs won't deal, there is no deal, so to me what matters is "what will the Mavs do a deal for." I am opining from that angle, as I perceive it to be.

I get the pushback that "other teams won't want to pay that much." Sure, they all would want a steal, right?  
 

(01-19-2026, 01:53 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I have a question: Can you shop players from other teams?

I have a feeling that AD for Porzingis/Risacher is basically agreed. They argue over the Cavs pick. At the same time the Mavs need to shop Porzingis quickly to extract some extra value. If the Hawks drag their feet it would be advantageous for the Mavs to already shop Porzingis, while he is technically still a Hawk.

(01-19-2026, 01:56 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: This is going to end up being about semantics (as message board discussions often are).  I think it is clear there is disagreement with your perception of Market Value.  But, you are in essence saying there is no market unless Dallas agrees to a deal.  Thus, your perception of what they will accept defines market value.  That just feels circular.  

Its not like we have much else to talk about for the next 2 1/2 weeks.  I just don't want to have to have this same discussion over and over again.  So, just assume that I disagree with your certainty about where value is and adding in oversimplified words like "steal" and "worthless" to denigrate the positions others take doesn't change that for me.