(12-17-2024, 02:29 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: That's your opinion. You're entitled to it. I beg to differ. PJ is 26, Portis 28. Big difference? Not really. How do you know how he'll fit next to Luka, and Ky? He might not be better as a defender, but he's a much better scorer and rebounder.

(12-17-2024, 11:42 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Portis isn't 10% the defender that PJ is.  Portis would be ideal to replace Maxi.

(12-16-2024, 08:24 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Evan Sidery
@esidery
The Bucks have gauged the trade market on Bobby Portis to find rotational upgrades.

With Milwaukee over the second apron, they can’t take back salaries totaling more than Portis’ $12.6 million.

Portis is averaging 13.1 points and 7.7 rebounds while shooting 36.7% on threes.

(12-17-2024, 02:58 PM)michaeltex Wrote: So a Maxi for Portis trade works? $11M vs 12.6M? Saves MIL salary and tax $$ and DAL gets a younger big to more reliably fill the #2 PF position, with maybe some small ball C?

Sounds easy, but it never is.

(12-17-2024, 04:46 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Not quite. Mavs have about 530k of room to play with in a trade. They'd need to send out at least one other contract to make up the difference. BUT because MIL is a 2nd apron team, they cannot do a trade where they receive more salary than they are sending out. To make things even more complicated, MIL can't make any trade where they send 2 players (or more) at once. Mavs only limit is the 1st apron this year (which is 178.1) in which they cannot cross that line at all.

So any hypothetical trade involving the Mavs would have to be a 3 team trade, where the Mavs send Maxi to MIL, someone else (like Hardy) to another team, and the Mavs receive Portis.

(12-17-2024, 05:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Just more evidence that for once, a trade like this, the type we usually obsess about for months, is neither likely nor even needed. I don't know what we're going to do with our time during trade season.

(12-17-2024, 06:39 PM)Jym Wrote: a Portis trade made more sense for both sides when we were going to give up a quality future 1st rounder and he was going to start for us
the asset versus role ratio is off now

(12-17-2024, 06:46 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Portis has never been a starter player for his entire career though? He's always been a 25mpg big off the bench, wherein the last 4 years he's been top 3 in 6th man of the year voting twice with averages of 14/9 on 49% FG and 39% from 3. 

I don't see the assets for MIL though. I don't see why they'd want Maxi in place of Portis.

So I guess I'm just arguing a moot point anyways.

(12-17-2024, 06:46 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I don't see a trade for the Mavs this year.  An injury would change that, but right now there is not a lot of minutes to be had. 

PF depth is a question mark.  IMO, this is a huge opp for Omax.  He probably isn't going to get rotation minutes in a tough playoff series, but can he play 12-15 minutes a night.  That is all we really need.  Tell Maxi to take his time getting healthy and even when he is back, his minutes will be monitored very closely and Omax may get some of those minutes.  Maybe if you play thee games a week, Omax gets 1-2 of those games?

I have long thought DFS would be back here, but with the recent moves there really isn't a big enough role for him.  Would I give up good assets a guy who is going to have trouble to play more than 15 minutes a night.  I would not at this stage.  This offseason could be a different story.

(12-17-2024, 06:12 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I agree that a Portis level trade isn't necessarily needed/likely, but from a pure talent perspective, getting Portis for Maxi+Hardy (or Exum/Powell) is a no brainer. He's been a top 6-MOY candidate for the last 4 years. He's been a 10ppg stretch big with pretty solid defense. I can see why Nico was interested in him and I can still see the fit now as a backup big.

As much as I want OMax to take that next step, I can't rationally say he's ready for big time minutes on a championship level team. He will get there one day. But if the Mavs are serious about winning, it's time to load up with good vets. Portis qualifies as that AND he's only 29. 

Again, I'm not pining for this trade, but it makes sense.

(12-18-2024, 05:36 AM)Dundalis Wrote: IMO any move for a backup 4 should have much more emphasis on defensive skillset than offensive. I think there are guys on the team, particularly the newest additions that have more offensive upside than we have seen so far that should progress even more as the season goes on. It's our defense that I think has more of a limiting ceiling than our offense.