(01-16-2026, 12:52 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Guys, all of this sounds good...BPA...lots of road ahead...etc.

I'm just saying, I can't watch another season without a PG. I just can't. I think Flagg can be A hub on offense, but I have serious doubts he'll ever be THE hub, and as we know, the game today is played with a lot of ball-handlers, so it's not like some hypothetical future version of Flagg that can run the offense competently is a solution to the problem I'm talking about. More to the point, I think that's not the best way to use Flagg, regardless of whether or not he's up to the challenge. I think that would be giving away a significant portion of what makes him special.

This team NEEDS a PG. Anything is possible once they have one. I don't feel there's much value in caring about anything else until they find a good one. Everything I've gotten semi-excited about - trading for Risacher, for example - has been predicated on the idea that an impact, ball-handling guard, or at least a prospect with potential to become that, will be added this summer.

(01-16-2026, 12:52 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Guys, all of this sounds good...BPA...lots of road ahead...etc.

I'm just saying, I can't watch another season without a PG. I just can't. I think Flagg can be A hub on offense, but I have serious doubts he'll ever be THE hub, and as we know, the game today is played with a lot of ball-handlers, so it's not like some hypothetical future version of Flagg that can run the offense competently is a solution to the problem I'm talking about. More to the point, I think that's not the best way to use Flagg, regardless of whether or not he's up to the challenge. I think that would be giving away a significant portion of what makes him special.

This team NEEDS a PG. Anything is possible once they have one. I don't feel there's much value in caring about anything else until they find a good one. Everything I've gotten semi-excited about - trading for Risacher, for example - has been predicated on the idea that an impact, ball-handling guard, or at least a prospect with potential to become that, will be added this summer.

(01-16-2026, 01:05 PM)Winter Wrote: Well that's a different conversation I think, but I definitely think you're right. I'm sure the FO knows it too.

I haven't explored free agent PGs for 2026 or who might be a trade candidate (other than C. White). I think there's something to be said for getting a young PG but maybe one who isn't in this 2026 rookie class who might be a good fit in a trade scenario. I don't see a perfect fit, but I hope the FO does.

(01-16-2026, 01:09 PM)Smitty Wrote: Is Quickley not a good PG? I know his contract is bad, but his play?

(01-16-2026, 12:40 PM)Winter Wrote: It's possible that the four best PGs in the top of the draft (Peterson, Kingston, Brown, and Acuff) could be gone before the Mavs pick. Acuff has actually moved ahead of Brown on some mock drafts. If a PG is available, it will be one of them - either Acuff of Brown. But after these picks, there's a real gap in talent according to most analysts. 

There are also a couple of real wildcards at the center position that still have to play out. Quaintance at Kentucky has had injuries, but he looks like Dwight Howard when he plays. He's a rebounding machine. Also Cenac at Houston who has had an uneven year, but can play all over the court.

There are also some great small forward types that will likely be there when we pick (Braylon Mullins who shoots lights out, and Yaxel Lindeborg who can play at both forward positions, and Keaton Wagler who is a play-making SG guard, but currently not playing PG for Illinois).

But to your personal wish list, the next real PG in the draft is Labaron Philon at Alabama. He may go somewhere in the top 10 or may slip to around 15 or so. So it's possible that the best talent available when the Mavs pick may not be a PG. 

If the PGs I listed are gone, I personally would take one of those G-SF types I mentioned rather than look for a PG farther down the list just because he's a PG.

(01-16-2026, 11:52 AM)Smitty Wrote: That's actually a big deal. Good catch. Quickley also has a $2.5M ULTBE. Poeltl has one also but only $500K. Martin already has a $1.3M ULTBE that counts against the Apron next year, but I think he's needed in a TOR deal if it's Quickley instead of Poeltl.

Working with those numbers, the only realistic trade that includes IQ+RJ is them adding Agbaji. Mavs would need to send back AD, Martin, DLO, BWill OR Exum.

Toronto's Roster looks like this after:

Shead | DLO | BWill
Barnes | Walter | Dick | Temple
Ingram | Martin | Battle
CMB | Mogbo
Davis | Poeltl | Sandro



If you were to make an AD trade with TOR for Barrett+Quickley, without a 3rd team involved, you'd go into next season maybe needing to trade back in the draft, if you're in the 7-8 spot, or make additional trades in the summer to avoid A2. You also might not want a TOR FRP this year, but instead '27, where you currently have none.


Irving | Quickley | Nembhard*
Max | Klay | Hardy
Barrett | Naji | FRP
Flagg | PJW
Lively | Gafford | Cisse*

*Converted Nembhard and Cisse to full roster.

You are right at the second apron with only 14 roster spots. (assuming ~$8M for FRP slot #7)


Edit: There's a simpler version that works but hurts the Mavs even more financially next year. RJ+IQ for Davis+DLO+Hardy

(01-16-2026, 01:37 PM)mvossman Wrote: That feels like a move that would ensure this is a good team going forward, but I think it provides less chance for contention than most other trades discussed.  The fact that you have a guy making 32 mil a year for the next 4 years as a backup player is a red flag.  Talk of trading back on whats likely to be the most important draft for the next 10 years is also a red flag.

(01-16-2026, 01:09 PM)Smitty Wrote: Is Quickley not a good PG? I know his contract is bad, but his play?

(01-16-2026, 01:42 PM)mvossman Wrote: More importantly, I don't see Toronto giving up Quickley.  They have very little depth behind him and I think Dlo would be a hard sell.

(01-16-2026, 01:51 PM)Smitty Wrote: I don't disagree but the reports are pretty straightforward. There are only a few ways to make the deal work with Quickley + Barrett. Maybe only the two I posted. Dan's highlight of their ULTBE and what it means for the Mavs who are up against the hard cap make it difficult, unless it's a multi-team deal.

(01-16-2026, 01:55 PM)mvossman Wrote: Did I miss a report specifically about Quickley?  I think if Toronto is going to pull the trigger for AD its going to have to be Poeltl and Barrett from their perspective.

(01-16-2026, 02:02 PM)Smitty Wrote: The Raptors are the current favorites to trade for Anthony Davis, per @KalshiSports:

Toronto: 33%
Bucks: 22%
Hawks: 15%

Toronto is willing to send the Mavericks RJ Barrett alongside Immanuel Quickley or Jakob Poeltl.

(01-16-2026, 02:02 PM)Smitty Wrote: The Raptors are the current favorites to trade for Anthony Davis, per @KalshiSports:

Toronto: 33%
Bucks: 22%
Hawks: 15%

Toronto is willing to send the Mavericks RJ Barrett alongside Immanuel Quickley or Jakob Poeltl.

(01-16-2026, 02:17 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: Does the Toronto offer include sending us draft picks?

(01-16-2026, 02:17 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: Does the Toronto offer include sending us draft picks?

(01-16-2026, 02:17 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: Does the Toronto offer include sending us draft picks?