(06-22-2024, 01:28 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, I got really excited when I saw the Portland rumor, because my first thought was about Grant.

Then, my second thought was about DeAndrea Ayton, and that excitement turned to terror in an instant.

Then, I remembered the Thybulle thing, and it’s very likely that that is what this rumor is about, if it’s true. VERY likely. My take on Thybulle is well documented around here, so I wouldn’t love it, but I would like it a hell of a lot more than Tobias Harris. As a bench player, I’m not sure he can really hurt you that badly. Worst case scenario is he gets played out of the playoff rotation, just like Hardaway did. No harm no foul there (unless you give up a pick or Hardy or something stupid). And, he probably makes your defense a little bit better during the regular season as he eats innings. Who knows, maybe he will shoot better than I think, just like Jones did, but he is definitely not a solution to what got the Mavericks bounced out of the finals, that’s for sure. Still, I don’t hate it as much as I hated penciling him in as the starter at the three last season when that offer went out.

(06-22-2024, 01:43 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: You know that I usually join you on the spacing is key crusade but I am super intrigued by the potential of a three headed defensive monster. Thybulle is even better than DJJ and PJ on that end and I think he would be a great fit in Kidd's scheme. There is no better/more active off ball defender in the league. Looking at tracking numbers Thybulle is in a league of his own when it comes to deflections, steals/36. For a team that likes to overload a player that covers a lot of ground, plays the gaps and passing lanes is the perfect fit.

(06-22-2024, 01:43 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: You know that I usually join you on the spacing is key crusade but I am super intrigued by the potential of a three headed defensive monster. Thybulle is even better than DJJ and PJ on that end and I think he would be a great fit in Kidd's scheme. There is no better/more active off ball defender in the league. Looking at tracking numbers Thybulle is in a league of his own when it comes to deflections, steals/36. For a team that likes to overload a player that covers a lot of ground, plays the gaps and passing lanes is the perfect fit.

(06-22-2024, 01:55 PM)F Gump Wrote: FWIW the Mavs can't trade for Thybulle until July. So if a trade between them happens now, it's not for Thybulle.

(06-22-2024, 02:08 PM)mvossman Wrote: There is nothing wrong with making that trade now, but not having it go in effect until July, right?  Wasn't it similar with Grant Williams trade?  It was announced before it could go into effect, right?

(06-22-2024, 01:43 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: You know that I usually join you on the spacing is key crusade but I am super intrigued by the potential of a three headed defensive monster. Thybulle is even better than DJJ and PJ on that end and I think he would be a great fit in Kidd's scheme. There is no better/more active off ball defender in the league. Looking at tracking numbers Thybulle is in a league of his own when it comes to deflections, steals/36. For a team that likes to overload a player that covers a lot of ground, plays the gaps and passing lanes is the perfect fit.

(06-22-2024, 12:59 PM)loki Wrote: Great summary of why PJ/DJJ worked so well defensively. I've been penciling Jones in as the 2 and Luka as the 3 in all my lineups lately because of this. You can't just plug in a typical "starting SF" and get the same result.

I do have some doubt that Jerami Grant can fill that role though. I actually wanted him over PJ at the deadline because he's a legit 3rd option (and I didn't realize that PJ would be a game changer on defense). But what I remember reading from Portland fans is that many viewed Grant as purely a PF at this point in his career. They didn't want to call him a 3 because he wasn't quick enough. I guess the hope would be that it's more a lack of effort from the offensive burden he's carrying than a lack of footspeed.

(06-22-2024, 02:40 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: The indirect Green and Thybulle swap is interesting. If you remember Dallas expected Thybulle to start if Portland didn’t match.

The negative is can he stay on the floor aS teams are going to leave him wide open? Morey eventually decided the answer was  no.

When I hear Kidd talk about Green I hear him say he only cares about energy from Green,  not stats.  Maybe not energy, but the things Kidd wants from Green, thybulle is probably better at the .

Green is younger and has higher upside due to his potential offensive flexibility.  It just doesn’t seem like Dallas puts much value in his potential skill set there.  Dallas would need another wing though who could score.

(06-22-2024, 02:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: For the record, I don’t hate the idea of Klay Thompson here, in the unlikely event that his situation gets dire enough that the Mavericks can afford to acquire him in a way that makes sense. No idea what circumstances would constitute that situation, I am just saying that I think he could help this team.

(06-22-2024, 02:45 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I can't repeat enough how enamored I am with Thybulle.

He was shooting about 41% on 3s until January. After that he had a bad stretch of games (think like 20%) and then Portland shut him down to trudge on with the tank.

If he can even shoot 35% on 3s he'd be perfect here. Perfect perfect.

(06-22-2024, 02:47 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Thompson is a rare candidate this summer of having both the qualities of a scorer we need (2nd best shooter of all time, can create his own shot etc), with size, while also being okay with leading the bench. 

If I could pick Klays next contract and just place him on the Mavs I'd do it in a heartbeat. He's good enough still even if he's slowing down. And talk about adding finals experience to this young roster!

(06-22-2024, 02:45 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I can't repeat enough how enamored I am with Thybulle.

He was shooting about 41% on 3s until January. After that he had a bad stretch of games (think like 20%) and then Portland shut him down to trudge on with the tank.

If he can even shoot 35% on 3s he'd be perfect here. Perfect perfect.

(06-22-2024, 02:51 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: You are dug in on this, and I can respect that. 

I’m just saying that if we have learned anything from watching guys like Green and Exum, we should know that percentage isn’t everything.

Mvossman made a point to me earlier about how Jones’ percentage didn’t improve that much this year, only that’s misleading, because his ATTEMPTS (code for willingness to shoot, which is code for finally understanding what it takes to stay on the floor) increased significantly. In that set of circumstances, even maintaining a percentage from one year to the next is actually a huge IMPROVEMENT, percentage wise, if you follow my meaning. 

I think Green and Exum both shoot well. They just won’t do it enough. You have to make yourself a credible threat on offense somehow.