(Yesterday, 05:43 AM)soog Wrote: And because of this Rich Paul should be on the phone with Atl convincing them to put together an attractive offer for AD instead of pressuring Dal to trade him for peanuts

(01-13-2026, 10:06 PM)windjc Wrote: Dallas wants expiring, picks and young talent. Plain and simple. It’s amazing that people on here can’t comprehend the truth that this is what they want and what they eventually will get.
There is very VERY little logic or objectivity on this board. Just a lot of nervous nannies.

(Yesterday, 06:17 AM)meistermatze Wrote: That's just wrong in my opinion.

Davis’ value did tank because of his recent injury, and it was way already way lower than some people in your delusional camp want to admit. If I was wrong about this, Davis would have been traded already. If he had this perceived value, a player of his (theoretical) caliber should land you all of this in a second.

Why is that not the case? Well, of course, because he’s a walking injury risk — which doesn’t just tank his value theoretically, but also practically puts TONS of pressure on the Mavs. Next time it could be his Achilles, and then you’re stuck with this guy while being over the second apron, which essentially cripples your flexibility moving forward.

Yes — some team MIGHT be desperate or stupid enough to let Rich Paul (or themselves) talk them into a trade where the Mavs receive what they wish for. But is it realistic? No, for the reasons already given.

We might get lucky, like the Lakers did with us having that moron Harrison calling the shots, but in a realistic scenario, we HAVE to ship AD out — even on a bad deal.

(01-10-2026, 09:19 AM)Smitty Wrote: As for a potential TDL deal still being possible, I think you’re probably correct that it’s not completely off the table. There’s a world where Davis elects to put off surgery, making his timeline for recovery around 6 weeks. The TDL is Feb 5th. The Hawks return from the ASB Feb 19th. Well, the 19th is exactly 6 weeks for AD’s recovery. So, if ATL makes a trade for Davis at the deadline, he will have only missed 3 games that he would have otherwise played in. Similar to when the Mavs traded for him initially. Far from a deal breaker, like you said.

(Yesterday, 04:22 AM)F Gump Wrote: Factually, it's nowhere near the "long window" of missed games (for a team that trades for him) that it looks like at first glance, if the trade was navigated wisely. The 6 week window for a return from injury would have AD back shortly after the ASB. 

Let's plug in some actual dates:
1 Date of injury - Thurs Jan 8
2 End of 6 weeks healing time - Thurs Feb 19
3 Trade deadline (last possible trade date) - Thurs Feb 5
4 All-star break with no games played - Fri Feb 13-Thurs Feb 19

So if AD is truly on a 6 week layoff, and was traded at the deadline (Thurs Feb 5), the new team would be losing his services for only 1 week of games (Fri Feb 6-Thurs Feb 12). ATL for example has only 3 games in that window (CHAR, MINN, CHAR) and that's probably true of almost every team. Then when everyone comes back from AS break, that's the end of 6 weeks and AD should be healthy again. In addition, because it's a hand injury (rather than leg or foot), he can stay in condition and be ready to go when the return from AS break happens.

AD also has major incentive to be back, and be fully in shape, the very first day, because he will be looking to motivate that extension from the new team. You might very well see the same sort of "AD" that you saw the 1st game with DAL, where he wanted to make a huge impression, and was a one-man dominant force on both ends, until pulling up lame.

In general, I am not in a hurry to trade AD, but the prospects of a healthy roster showing their stuff in March and April would definitely hamper the ability to obtain a high pick. But great play alongside a healthy Kyrie making a HUGE difference in winning games might also make AD even more desirable in the summer, or lay the groundwork for an even better team next season after adding back Lively AND a good (but not great) pick. IMO it was easier when AD was going to be out for the season and Kyrie was going to sit also. Where's that expert GM when you need him?

(Yesterday, 07:55 AM)Dirknows Wrote: Davis wasn’t traded because multiple teams were interested, and it stands to reason the smartest thing to do in that scenario is wait til the deadline and see who has the best offer.

(01-13-2026, 07:50 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: So Windhorst is reporting that AD may be traded for expiring deals only. The Mavs may not have a choice if such a trade is possible. The payroll is just too high considering the team’s current prospects. That will close the books on the trade as Luka for Max, a first in the fairly distant future, and salary savings. Basically, Luka is going to be a salary dump. Nice work Mavs.

(Yesterday, 08:08 AM)Smitty Wrote: To Dan's point, I did find it comical all the talk about the Hawks injury report last night. Like Dan, I think there's no way a team makes a trade RIGHT NOW, this week, or next week. It will most likely be the day of Thursday, February 5th. Which maximizes the timeline we laid out above.

(Yesterday, 06:17 AM)meistermatze Wrote: Why is that not the case? Well, of course, because he’s a walking injury risk — which doesn’t just tank his value theoretically, but also practically puts TONS of pressure on the Mavs. Next time it could be his Achilles, and then you’re stuck with this guy while being over the second apron, which essentially cripples your flexibility moving forward.

We might get lucky, like the Lakers did with us having that moron Harrison calling the shots, but in a realistic scenario, we HAVE to ship AD out — even on a bad deal.

(Yesterday, 07:55 AM)Dirknows Wrote: Davis wasn’t traded because multiple teams were interested, and it stands to reason the smartest thing to do in that scenario is wait til the deadline and see who has the best offer.

(Yesterday, 02:17 AM)F Gump Wrote: My minimum price in working through negotiations is to start at:

KP-OO-Risacher plus picks (with NO #1 the starting point in negotiations)
FOR
AD-Hardy-DAR

ATL stays under the tax line, and it's an even-player swap that the Mavs need.

(Yesterday, 06:17 AM)meistermatze Wrote: That's just wrong in my opinion.

Davis’ value did tank because of his recent injury, and it was way already way lower than some people in your delusional camp want to admit. If I was wrong about this, Davis would have been traded already. If he had this perceived value, a player of his (theoretical) caliber should land you all of this in a second.

Why is that not the case? Well, of course, because he’s a walking injury risk — which doesn’t just tank his value theoretically, but also practically puts TONS of pressure on the Mavs. Next time it could be his Achilles, and then you’re stuck with this guy while being over the second apron, which essentially cripples your flexibility moving forward.

Yes — some team MIGHT be desperate or stupid enough to let Rich Paul (or themselves) talk them into a trade where the Mavs receive what they wish for. But is it realistic? No, for the reasons already given.

We might get lucky, like the Lakers did with us having that moron Harrison calling the shots, but in a realistic scenario, we HAVE to ship AD out — even on a bad deal.

(Yesterday, 09:54 AM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: I think the only way a trade happens now is if we're adding more to the deal than Davis.  I don't think they would give up OO right now, but any of the other rumored pieces are in play. And remember they just did a 2 for 1 deal where they received McCollum and Kispert for Trae. They have an extra piece already. 

I can see a scenario where the major pieces are Naji /AD for Risacher /KP / Kennard. Hopefully a pick in there somewhere. 

That deal could happen now and Atlanta doesn't lose on court production.  Naji slides into the Risacher role.  KP doesnt play anyway. Kennard is not a loss. Maybe we could convince them to take Hardy to replace some Kennard minutes.   But they have Kispert for that.

(Yesterday, 08:08 AM)Smitty Wrote: Yes, you've got your timeline correct. It's exactly what Rich Paul is telling other GM's as we speak. I think you missed Dan's point in this reply though. I think Dan was talking about the timing of the trade being executed, noting that a team would not make that trade today for instance, but instead wait all the way until the deadline, because said team will need the potential players in a Davis deal, to continue being competitive the next 3 weeks.

To Dan's point, I did find it comical all the talk about the Hawks injury report last night. Like Dan, I think there's no way a team makes a trade RIGHT NOW, this week, or next week. It will most likely be the day of Thursday, February 5th. Which maximizes the timeline we laid out above.

(Yesterday, 10:06 AM)F Gump Wrote: Obviously no team has yet offered the Mavs what they want for AD - otherwise, he would already have been traded. But that doesn't mean they won't in the future. And we have no way to know how far apart they were from a deal already being done. In negotiations, all the claims of disinterest are suspect -- "In deal-making times, buyers are liars."

Where I differ from a lot of people here (probably you are in that group) is that I don't think the Mavs are especially worried (or desperate) to trade AD soon. At all. I think they have a price they think he's worth (which is held close to the vest, but they know what it is), I don't think it's especially low, and I don't think they will let him go unless a team comes with an offer that beats it. If you don't think they will get that offer (and you certainly could be right), I don't think they will much care, frankly, and they will go in a different direction without batting an eye.

I also suspect they have other irons in the fire, and we might see a different move besides a trade of AD, around the TDL. For now, I figure they aren't likely to mess with their trade flexibility for moving AD, but once that outcome is determined, they may do something else instead (or too).

Is there a very good possibility AD is still a Mav after the TDL? Could be. But I don't think that scares them. 

As for me - I think a great pick in this draft is really vital. To me, that's the move they need to prioritize. If they have AD next season, OR have the equivalent thereof (via trade), to me that's okay either way.

(Yesterday, 09:54 AM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: I can see a scenario where the major pieces are Naji /AD for Risacher /KP / Kennard. Hopefully a pick in there somewhere. 

Quote:“I was definitely booing back,” Antetokounmpo said. “When I get booed, I boo back. I’ve been doing that all season. You guys haven’t been with me on the road. Whenever I get booed, I boo back.”

Quote:“It does not matter,” Antetokounmpo said. “I play basketball for my teammates. I play basketball for myself and my family. When people don’t believe in me, I don’t tend to be with them. I tend to be against them. I tend to do what I’m here to do, what I’m good at. I think I’m like a maverick. I’ve always been that way, so it won’t change now. It doesn’t matter if I’m at home or away. But yeah, I’ve never been a part of something like that before and I don’t think it’s fair. I don’t.”

Quote:“But everybody has their opinion to do what they want to do,” Antetokounmpo said. “I’m not gonna tell them what to do and how they should act when we don’t play hard or when we lose games, or when we’re not where we’re supposed to be. And I don’t think anybody has the right to tell me what or how I should act on the basketball court after I’ve been here 13 years and I’m basically the all-time leader in everything.”

Quote:“Maybe my voice is just a broken record and guys are tired (of hearing it) and guys might tend to do what they want to do,” Antetokounmpo said. “I don’t know, but as a leader, it doesn’t matter. Being a leader is like the same thing as being a dad. You just gotta keep on being available, keep being consistent with your words and your actions over and over and over again and one day, you hope that the message is going to go through.

(01-13-2026, 10:06 PM)windjc Wrote: Dallas wants expiring, picks and young talent. Plain and simple. It’s amazing that people on here can’t comprehend the truth that this is what they want and what they eventually will get.

There is very VERY little logic or objectivity on this board. Just a lot of nervous nannies.

(Yesterday, 10:55 AM)mvossman Wrote: I'm not sure folks think that the Mavs are desperate to move AD.  I do think a lot of folks disagree with your assessment of AD market.  I assume you saw that clip of Stein talking about his market value?  Do you think Stein is completely clueless?  Its nowhere in the ballpark of what you are asking for.

I realize you want to get maximum value for AD, but this can be taken too far.   We have watched Ainge ask for too high prices, wait too long and get lower return on players than if he would have been reasonable to begin with.  I don't want to sell low on AD (which is probably what we would be doing if we trade him at the TDL) but I also don't want to ride a disgruntled AD with all of his injury drama for the rest of this contract and get nothing for him either.