(07-04-2023, 08:09 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: If we did THJ for Washington as part of the Bertans/Holmes deal, we could actually absorb Zubac without sending out any salary and be under the first apron.  

The assumption being PJ makes what Hardaway makes or less.  

(07-04-2023, 09:05 PM)The Jom Wrote: Five centers no power forwards. Is that really what you all think? I guess I’m the oddball here. I think PF is overcrowded with Luka, Maxi, and Omax taking all the minutes. Sure, they all CAN play other positions. But they play this one too.

Luka  Maxi/Omax

(07-04-2023, 11:45 PM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: The Philly situation is one of the best reasons to hang onto our assets. Unless Morey can pull a rabbit out of hat, Embiid could easily be the next superstar on the move. Lively, Hardy and 3 first round picks. Whatever swaps. Embiid is friendly with Luka and Kyrie from what I’ve gathered.

(07-04-2023, 10:15 PM)F Gump Wrote: It looks to me like you're assuming Holmes isn't getting the TK, yes? If so, you're making it too hard on the Zubac front. Without the TK, you can already absorb Zubac in the Bertans/Holmes deal, with no outgoing salary and without doing anything else.

And the THJ for PJW swap could be a simple standalone deal too.

But as you noted, finding a home for McGee or Holmes (and maybe even both) is almost certainly a necessary part of the equation if Zubac is being added.

(07-05-2023, 06:05 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Thanks for the clarity of thinking.  I’ve got too many possibilities running through my head.  Some where he takes the TK and some where he can’t.  Some where I’m trying to preserve the MLE and some where I’m spending the dollars in a trade.  I’ve even got some things where I’m trying to make two trades with equivalent money going in and out in both and still preserving the MLE or part of the MLE.  So, my mind isn’t as clear as it would be if the possibilities were narrowed a bit.

(07-05-2023, 08:06 AM)F Gump Wrote: As a general concept, I have to think the Mavs have a McGee salary dump lined up, as needed, to facilitate a deal in multiple ways -- they send him out with money preferably (or a pick), and do that to a 3rd team as part of a deal for a player. That accomplishes multiple purposes all in one small move: it clears out a center, it opens up more room under the Apron, and at the same time serves as salary matching. It can be piggy-backed on ANY deal, of course, but it can be a standalone if that works better.

(07-05-2023, 08:40 AM)mvossman Wrote: I wonder if the backup plan regarding McGee is stretch waive.  I know there are unknown variables, but would that potentially create the room they need to get the full MLE/BAE?

(07-04-2023, 11:45 PM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: The Philly situation is one of the best reasons to hang onto our assets. Unless Morey can pull a rabbit out of hat, Embiid could easily be the next superstar on the move. Lively, Hardy and 3 first round picks. Whatever swaps. Embiid is friendly with Luka and Kyrie from what I’ve gathered.

(07-05-2023, 09:52 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Embiid is worth a way better package than that. Look what Gobert got for Utah, and he's not even close to being the player Embiid is. Morey would laugh you off the phone.

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(07-05-2023, 08:19 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Mavs have a tough job on being able to land this plane.  I am having difficulty finding clear matches on some of the RFA and trades.  Trades tend to come out of left field, so I hope they have stuff working.  I also want to lower my expectations in trades because you typically need to feel some pain when you acquire someone worthwhile in trade.  mavs spare parts offer very little Mav Pain imo.

For me, the two biggest musts for the rest of the offseason are:

1) Find a starting level PF that fits what they have been looking for this offseason.  IE guys who can impact games besides being a guy who needs to score.  Hopefully this player is not a stop gap and is a guy we can view here out 2-3 years. 
2) Is Holmes capable playing 25 minutes a night for a playoff caliber team?  He may not be asked to play this much, but I think 25 minutes is a good benchmark.  If the answer is no, Dallas needs to have a secondary move somehow. 

Maybe you can find a nice spare part in addition, but that is secondary from finding a starting PF now and making sure you are comfortable with the center rotation.

While this probably won’t make us a contender, it does keep flexibility, gives Luka a shot with players who support him well and gives us an opportunity to search for that final move where we could float a player, pick, and possibly young player as the bait.

(07-05-2023, 09:56 AM)mvossman Wrote: I don't disagree, but I don't think we should use the Gobert trade is a measuring stick.  I think that trade is already considered a disaster from an asset standpoint.  Between that massive overpay and the new CBA I think the pendulum has already swung the other way.

(07-05-2023, 10:01 AM)mvossman Wrote: Holmes giving 20+ quality minutes would be ideal, but if our starting power forward is PJ, then even if Holmes is useless you could cobble together a much better center rotation than last season between Maxi/PJ/Lively/Powell.

(07-05-2023, 10:02 PM)Smitty Wrote: 2-way:
PG: McKinley Wright IV (24)
SG: AJ Lawson (22)
PG: Mike Miles Jr. (20)

(07-05-2023, 10:38 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: 3 way battle for the small guard: PG: Wright IV / Miles / Walker, who wins this?

I think AJ Lawson is a lock at wing

The third spot, I'd like the Mavs to go for a C, maybe not Bingham, but someone else's summer league roster.

(07-04-2023, 10:58 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: Let's say we roll with Luka, Maxi and Omax.

Against Gianis, would you trust Omax and Luka? 
Against Banchero? JJackson?
Kawhi's a big SF, maybe Omax and Luka can handle him? No?
Zion?

Finesse players like Lauri and Kat, I think Luka/Omax might be able to put on some resistance, but the power guys would put a stress on Luka and Omax.

I guess the Mavs can slide down Holmes and DP to guard the bigger, bulkier forwards. But I don't trust those two, specially DP. He plays good positional defense, but most fans know he gets burned time and again by guys willing to take him head on.

I'm sure Maxi provides the best match.
But Maxi isn't durable enough, thus the Mavs need at least one more guy.

It's this reason why PJ Washington should be the main target. Maybe he won't be Maxi-ish in D, but he'd be an able body better than a rookie and a defensively challenged superstar.