(10-04-2023, 11:13 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I don’t really think there is a way to prove that true or untrue. At this point I think games played are going to be the only truth. I don’t feel as strongly as you do about Kidd keeping him down or believing he’s best used off the bench. I’m closer to, I think the starting spot is his to lose, not OMax’s to win mostly because I agree with you that OMax best use position will probably be at that big F spot.

The other rookie, Lively, on the other hand I think he has more of a chance to win the starting position regardless of how Powell plays.

That’s how I see it until regular season games are played (not preseason games BTW).

(10-04-2023, 11:13 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I don’t feel as strongly as you do about Kidd keeping him down or believing he’s best used off the bench. I’m closer to, I think the starting spot is his to lose, not OMax’s to win mostly because I agree with you that OMax best use position will probably be at that big F spot.

(10-04-2023, 11:18 AM)Jym Wrote: Yeah Omax's 3 is a little slow and clunky right now. 
So either he's destined to be a PF on offense or he's going to have to change up that form

(10-04-2023, 11:19 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I agree with your overall point in the post, but to clarify, I don't "feel strongly" that Kidd doesn't believe in Green, I just think there are signs that could point to that. As you say, we won't know until we know, but some are assuming Green's role to a point where it makes sense to them to expect some crazy numbers, contract wise. All I'm saying is that his rookie contract is almost gone and to this point, he literally has not been a rotation player outside of like a 2 month stretch of last season. Can we make sure he earns a spot in the Mavs' (or any team's, really) top 8-9 guys for a full season before we assume he's going to get north of the MLE? That's all I'm saying.

Unless there's an angle I'm not seeing, one of the following two statements is true:
1) Reggie Bullock, one of the worst rotation players in the NBA last year, was still a better option than Green.
OR
2) #1 is false, but Jason Kidd believed it was true.

(10-04-2023, 11:34 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: 3) There are some weird unwritten rules when it comes to vets/young players. It's not like the Mavs are the only team that operates like this.

(10-04-2023, 11:13 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: The other rookie, Lively, on the other hand I think he has more of a chance to win the starting position regardless of how Powell plays.

That’s how I see it until regular season games are played (not preseason games BTW).

(10-04-2023, 01:02 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote:

(10-04-2023, 12:53 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Thoughts?

(10-04-2023, 01:06 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: IMO, questionable guards ahead of Kyrie...
21. D.Fox
23. Harden
26. J.Murray
27. LeMelo
32. LaVine
34. Brunson
35. Kyrie

(10-04-2023, 02:26 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I don't get triggered on these type of rankings.  Pretty meaningless imo.

I don't have an issue with Kyrie's ranking though.  The last three years he probably doesn't deserve to be in the top 20.  So I am fine with that.  I do hope we get a full season of basketball from him and see if that ranking improves.

(10-04-2023, 02:28 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Absolutely. It has been a WHILE since he even played a full season. I think he'll raise his stock this year, almost definitely, even if the Mavs aren't very good. But, going off of pretty much every moment of his career post-Boston, 35 might be a little high, even.

(10-04-2023, 04:04 PM)mvossman Wrote: Honestly I would argue he was top 20 last year, and he did play 60 games.  He scored 27 a game, with 5 boards, 6 assists a block and a steal per game.  He also was not terrible on defense based on the advanced stats.  That is a top 20 resume.

(10-04-2023, 04:10 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Ok, but...

60 games. Meh. 

Whether or not we want to accept it, 99% of the world believes he almost singlehandedly steered Brooklyn's franchise into oncoming traffic. 

What he did after the trade is hard to credit, since the Mavs were worse than before. 

I realize there's another side to all of that, but I get why the modern, national meta on Kyrie is so negative, I really do.

(10-04-2023, 04:04 PM)mvossman Wrote: Honestly I would argue he was top 20 last year, and he did play 60 games.  He scored 27 a game, with 5 boards, 6 assists a block and a steal per game.  He also was not terrible on defense based on the advanced stats.  That is a top 20 resume.

(10-04-2023, 04:21 PM)mvossman Wrote: I get all of that, but the reality is that all of the Kyrie negativity is off the court (and supposedly out of the locker room as well).  He has never stopped being elite while on the court, and if we can get 60+ games out of him, I think he will easily be top 20.