(07-02-2023, 12:57 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Even more Dan,

THJ+Holmes+Bullock for Deandre Hunter and Clint Capela makes a lot of sense

Atlanta just traded for Garuba too who, while worse, is another athletic center.

(07-02-2023, 06:10 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Went through all the updated rosters. Short thoughts and one trade/move per team, the Mavs could be interested in.



...to be continued.

(07-02-2023, 01:15 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think S&T is too myopic.  If we are trading for someone, it doesn’t have to be a free agent.

With the trade spread we have left over from Bertans/Holmes ($12.5mm is $7.5mm plus the $5mm spread between Bertans and Holmes) and expiring Reggie, we can get to $23mm returning.  Add in McGee and it is almost $30mm (because the outgoing crosses $29mm).  Make the outgoing THJ/McGee and you get to really big numbers.

I struggle to see the remaining FA’s being worth that (but I’ve been surprised by a few).  It seems more likely  we are talking about an existing contract at those levels.

(07-02-2023, 11:55 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: I really like Al Horford and he would fit in here beautifully.  

The problem is he is already 37 years old.  I don't think it's wise to spend our last tradeable draft pick for a 37-year old guy.

Grant Williams is a decent player but I'd rather not sign him to more than the MLE.  He's an average defender, above-average 3-point shooter and does nothing else well.  

I think our 27 1st round pick is worth more than that.

(07-02-2023, 03:58 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I can respect that opinion, I just vehemently disagree with it. Especially with not even having to argue the Horford fit with you. Him starting and playing 30 mpg last year on a 57-25 record team playing 63 games tells me he is fine for 25-28 mpg with Lively and Powell backing him up. His contract ends after 2 years where he’ll most likely retire which is just in time for us to know if Lively is the right guy. He is plus value. 

GWill would also be good to start with Maxi and OMax backing him up (until OMax surpasses him amirite Cow?). I think he is a plus. 

Getting off of McGee’s contract is a plus.

Not seeing Powell and Bullock start is a huge plus.

Plenty of value for the 27 FRP.

Just my opinion though as I can respect yours.

(07-02-2023, 10:34 PM)surfpuckmd Wrote: If the goal were to maximize our odds of a championship this coming season, I think the trade would be wise.

I believe we're a couple of years away though so I'd rather hold onto the 2027 first.  As you said though, I respect your opinion as well.  

I have finally accepted that Grant Williams is the best we can do with our MLE so I'm hopeful that he's a Maverick on 7/07.  

I think this upcoming season will be fun even if Dwight Powell starts again.  Kyrie and Luka are amazing to watch and it will be nice to have young talent with potential for the first time in years.  

I think the trade market may be more favorable in January or February once a few teams have decided to give up on the season and sell off their winning players..

(07-02-2023, 02:58 PM)F Gump Wrote: They can get to a bigger number for an incoming player by adding outgoing players, but keep in mind they can't increase that trade spread much (if any) beyond the existing 12.5M more or less that they are sitting on, because they have to stay under Apron 1 and that's approx the size of their available remaining space.

(07-03-2023, 01:34 AM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: I have said this might end up being the way to go, then try and get back under the Apron in season, though it might cost more to do it then. I do think this approach opens the door to Wood being usable as an asset, and a wider player base than the current MLE pool!!!

(07-03-2023, 02:09 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Yeah, after asking the question I found the answer regarding the $5mm TP MLE.  It hard caps you at the second apron, not the first.  It is limited to two years, so Curry checks that box.  So, we get an extra $10mm of potential spending power if we avoid S&T’s and don’t use more than a 10% trade spread.

I’d love to figure out something around J. Allen.  I’m just not sure how we help them fill the PF slot if they trade Allen and move Mobley to C.  Cleveland’s aspirations are just as big as the Mav’s and the clock is ticking just as fast on Mitchel’s next free agency as it is on Kyrie’s.

Does it seem to anyone else like there has to be a Buddy Hield trade coming.  Surely Indy didn’t pay Brown all that money (he’s Indy’s highest paid player now….what?)  to come off the bench behind Hield and Mathurin.  I’m not exactly sure what Indy needs and Hield doesn’t have to be Mav’s related.  I just thought it was interesting.  If we try to force a Mav interest, Would Indy rather have one year of Hield before he becomes a FA or two years of THJ?  Meanwhile, Dallas would probably rather have the expiring.  Indy is also a big shy in the backup five department.  THJ/McGee for Hield would actually save us a dollar or two.

(07-03-2023, 02:09 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Yeah, after asking the question I found the answer regarding the $5mm TP MLE.  It hard caps you at the second apron, not the first.  It is limited to two years, so Curry checks that box.  So, we get an extra $10mm of potential spending power if we avoid S&T’s and don’t use more than a 10% trade spread.

I’d love to figure out something around J. Allen.  I’m just not sure how we help them fill the PF slot if they trade Allen and move Mobley to C.  Cleveland’s aspirations are just as big as the Mav’s and the clock is ticking just as fast on Mitchel’s next free agency as it is on Kyrie’s.

Does it seem to anyone else like there has to be a Buddy Hield trade coming.  Surely Indy didn’t pay Brown all that money (he’s Indy’s highest paid player now….what?)  to come off the bench behind Hield and Mathurin.  I’m not exactly sure what Indy needs and Hield doesn’t have to be Mav’s related.  I just thought it was interesting.  If we try to force a Mav interest, Would Indy rather have one year of Hield before he becomes a FA or two years of THJ?  Meanwhile, Dallas would probably rather have the expiring.  Indy is also a big shy in the backup five department.  THJ/McGee for Hield would actually save us a dollar or two.

(07-03-2023, 01:18 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Question for you….

Curry is reported as BAE, but it isn’t final yet.  It fits under the TP MLE as well.  Is the TP MLE a hard cap trigger?

What I’m thinking (possibly) is if the Mav’s don’t use the BAE, trade for a non-free agent (so not a S&T) and only use a 10% trade spread, can they exceed $172mm?  I’m not saying it is likely.  I’m just trying to think through all of the possibilities.  Thanks

(07-03-2023, 09:02 AM)myconsumerclub Wrote: If free agency money starts to dry up and Wood is left homeless do we extend a deal to him that makes him usable as an asset for when the TDL gets here?

That way a training camp with Kidd could coach the guy to improve his defensive game and maybe make him a better player so that maybe we could get something decent back in trade at the TDL? A life coach to help him prioritize self improvement and mental development using various methods might make him a better person since word is he seems to need more focus on that part of his life to make him a more likable person.

Use him enough during the first half of the season to showcase him becoming a better player with a different usage pattern that makes him less exposed as a bad defender.

Basically hide his weakness and accentuate his positives so we can sell him for a nice ROI and take the best offer from the highest bidder at the TDL?

(07-03-2023, 09:02 AM)myconsumerclub Wrote: If free agency money starts to dry up and Wood is left homeless do we extend a deal to him that makes him usable as an asset for when the TDL gets here?

That way a training camp with Kidd could coach the guy to improve his defensive game and maybe make him a better player so that maybe we could get something decent back in trade at the TDL? A life coach to help him prioritize self improvement and mental development using various methods might make him a better person since word is he seems to need more focus on that part of his life to make him a more likable person.

Use him enough during the first half of the season to showcase him becoming a better player with a different usage pattern that makes him less exposed as a bad defender.

Basically hide his weakness and accentuate his positives so we can sell him for a nice ROI and take the best offer from the highest bidder at the TDL?

(07-03-2023, 09:02 AM)myconsumerclub Wrote: If free agency money starts to dry up and Wood is left homeless do we extend a deal to him that makes him usable as an asset for when the TDL gets here?

That way a training camp with Kidd could coach the guy to improve his defensive game and maybe make him a better player so that maybe we could get something decent back in trade at the TDL? A life coach to help him prioritize self improvement and mental development using various methods might make him a better person since word is he seems to need more focus on that part of his life to make him a more likable person.

Use him enough during the first half of the season to showcase him becoming a better player with a different usage pattern that makes him less exposed as a bad defender.

Basically hide his weakness and accentuate his positives so we can sell him for a nice ROI and take the best offer from the highest bidder at the TDL?

(07-03-2023, 09:23 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: This assumes that they haven’t already tried their darndest to coach him up.

I’m guessing that, at this point in his career,  he is what he is.

Can he be a useful player? Sure. At the right price. Vet min? Maybe a smidgen more?

But he also needs to be willing to accept that role, and that salary, and I’m not sure he is.