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RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - cow - 11-19-2025
(11-19-2025, 12:46 PM)mvossman Wrote: Nico was the GM when they decided not to offer Brunson an extension and when they made the trade for Wood. It sounds like it was very murky who was actually calling the shots, but not surprising Nico puts everything bad on Cuban when trying to take over organization power.
I'd still argue the damage to Brunson had been done before Nico had his chance to screw it up himself.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - khaled1987 - 11-19-2025
(11-19-2025, 12:58 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: This franchise has a dumb FO/ownership for 25 years but it stumbled into two top 20 players of all-time. Now they get Flagg as a 1,8% chance and stumble into a generational draft the next year, so accelerate the rebuild. Wouldn´t be nearly as fun with Risacher and Sarr.
I think Cuban was an above average owner tbf, I look around the NBA and I don't think I can say there was 15 better owners than him, maybe not even 10 better guys.
I said that when fans were super high on the Adelsons after the finals, that they need to wait before making such claims, people were pissed at me and singing praise to the new saviour. There is always worse, far worse.
But Dirk & Luka weren't "above average" superstars. Both were top 5 in their eras IMHO, I think Dirk could have been ranked much higher in all time list than he was under different circumstances.
Cuban was also getting worse consistently after the ring. He was always feeling he is the smartest guy out there, and always trying new plan. That is weird considering how he admit that Rick Carlisle literally told him to shut the fuck up in 2011 because it causes negative distraction to the team, and when he did it actually worked well.
Surprisingly, I've high respect to Donnie now than a decade or more ago, because Cuban was interfering too much. Donnie wasn't without faults but the guy helped to get us Nash and Dirk in 98, got us Howard and Harris around 03 and 04, got Luka and Brunson in 2018. He always found some good undrafted guys like Barea, Maxi and DFS. Cuban also was the one that stopped him from getting Giannis back in 2013.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - mvossman - 11-19-2025
(11-19-2025, 04:07 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: I think Cuban was an above average owner tbf, I look around the NBA and I don't think I can say there was 15 better owners than him, maybe not even 10 better guys.
I said that when fans were super high on the Adelsons after the finals, that they need to wait before making such claims, people were pissed at me and singing praise to the new saviour. There is always worse, far worse.
But Dirk & Luka weren't "above average" superstars. Both were top 5 in their eras IMHO, I think Dirk could have been ranked much higher in all time list than he was under different circumstances.
Cuban was also getting worse consistently after the ring. He was always feeling he is the smartest guy out there, and always trying new plan. That is weird considering how he admit that Rick Carlisle literally told him to shut the fuck up in 2011 because it causes negative distraction to the team, and when he did it actually worked well.
Surprisingly, I've high respect to Donnie now than a decade or more ago, because Cuban was interfering too much. Donnie wasn't without faults but the guy helped to get us Nash and Dirk in 98, got us Howard and Harris around 03 and 04, got Luka and Brunson in 2018. He always found some good undrafted guys like Barea, Maxi and DFS. Cuban also was the one that stopped him from getting Giannis back in 2013.
I would argue he was a very good owner prior to the championship, not nearly as much afterwords.
Donnie was also all in on Giannis but Cuban didn't want a "project". He had a great eye for European talent long before the league caught up.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - JAYJAYBEE5 - 11-19-2025
If Michael Finley can somehow acquire some real good young talent at the center position and point guard position and do away with Kyrie AND A.D. that would be awesome.
Draft picks for next year would work also, but bottom. Line is this will be a whole different team for years to come and it's going to be a process like the early years when donnie was gm.
Cuban couldn't win anything without donnie
Donnie Nelson was the general manager of the Dallas Mavericks during the 2011 NBA championship season. He played a crucial role in assembling the team that won the championship, which marked the Mavericks' only NBA title in franchise history.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - F Gump - 11-19-2025
(11-19-2025, 10:43 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: https://x.com/KevinGraySports/status/1990960108331831442
Bobby Marks says the Mavericks' financial present and future is the most dire
It's ever been.
The vast majority of this problem flowed from Nico doing the stupid trade for Martin. The difference between not doing that deal (and then Grimes walks as a FA) vs trading for a crippled player on a really bad contract was something like $100M, everything considered. And the cherry on top was that the Mavs paid a pick to be stuck with that bad Martin contract that runs for years, and which buries the Mavs in tax payments. It was GM malpractice of the worst sort.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - cow - 11-19-2025
(11-19-2025, 04:34 PM)F Gump Wrote: The vast majority of this problem flowed from Nico doing the stupid trade for Martin. The difference between not doing that deal (and then Grimes walks as a FA) vs trading for a crippled player on a really bad contract was something like $100M, everything considered. And the cherry on top was that the Mavs paid a pick to be stuck with that bad Martin contract that runs for years, and which buries the Mavs in tax payments. It was GM malpractice of the worst sort.
I still think it was intentional to divert heat away from the Luka trade which would be hilarious if it were any other team.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - F Gump - 11-19-2025
(11-19-2025, 11:39 AM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: Great article.
Interesting thing is McMahon believes the co-GM thing will be in place through this trade deadline. And that AD trades will be looked at before this trade deadline.
So we're giving the keys to a major franchise altering trade to the Finley, Riccardi duo. At least the message appears clear. Sell for the future that fits a Cooper Flagg timeline. I dont hate it. Just wish we could get Lilndsey or whoever on board before the deadline.
That's stated a bit stronger than what the article actually said.
It said the interim GMs "could" still be in place that long, rather than a statement of expecting that they WILL be. Different nuance. Just a guess, clearly, rather than knowledge.
It's possible that as long as they don't have a new GM, that could be enough for Dumont to say any deal has to wait.
From some of what has been shared, it sure sounds like if they want Lindsey, he might be able to be a relatively quick hire.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - Smitty - 11-19-2025
(11-19-2025, 04:41 PM)cow Wrote: I still think it was intentional to divert heat away from the Luka trade which would be hilarious if it were any other team.
I think it was all done to make a KD trade. Landing Coop spoiled Nico’s grand plan.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - windjc - 11-19-2025
(11-19-2025, 12:58 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: This franchise has a dumb FO/ownership for 25 years but it stumbled into two top 20 players of all-time. Now they get Flagg as a 1,8% chance and stumble into a generational draft the next year, so accelerate the rebuild. Wouldn´t be nearly as fun with Risacher and Sarr.
I think the new ownership is not as bad a Cuban. Yes, they made a poor decision in a perfect storm, but if they keep Cuban out of the room on any decisions then I think I will salute them.
The only person almost as bad as Nico is Cuban. He is an idiot. Cuban is the dumbest human being to trick people into believing he is smart in the history of mankind.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - JAYJAYBEE5 - 11-19-2025
(11-19-2025, 04:46 PM)F Gump Wrote: That's stated a bit stronger than what the article actually said.
It said the interim GMs "could" still be in place that long, rather than a statement of expecting that they WILL be. Different nuance. Just a guess, clearly, rather than knowledge.
It's possible that as long as they don't have a new GM, that could be enough for Dumont to say any deal has to wait.
From some of what has been shared, it sure sounds like if they want Lindsey, he might be able to be a relatively quick hire.
I don't know about this one. Why would Mr. Dumont want to extinguish himself with Mark Cuban some more if anything Dumont will hire HIS PEOPLE and i doubt it's anyone we or anybody in the NBA world has a real clue about right now.
Dennis Lindsey was a Marck Cuban hire so he can come back and be an NBA GM if his LAS VEGAS contractor job back fires.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - windjc - 11-19-2025
(11-19-2025, 06:27 PM)JAYJAYBEE5 Wrote: I don't know about this one. Why would Mr. Dumont want to extinguish himself with Mark Cuban some more if anything Dumont will hire HIS PEOPLE and i doubt it's anyone we or anybody in the NBA world has a real clue about right now.
Dennis Lindsey was a Marck Cuban hire so he can come back and be an NBA GM if his LAS VEGAS contractor job back fires.
I hope Dumont goes in a new direction and Cuban is sidelined forever.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - Smitty - 11-19-2025
(11-19-2025, 06:57 PM)windjc Wrote: I hope Dumont goes in a new direction and Cuban is sidelined forever.
Doesn’t look that way. Cuban is also lobbying for his buddy Lindsey as the next GM. Seems like he’ll be right in the mix, like he wanted originally.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - SleepingHero - 11-20-2025
(11-19-2025, 06:57 PM)windjc Wrote: I hope Dumont goes in a new direction and Cuban is sidelined forever.
Dumbont doesn't know literally ANYTHING about basketball. He knows so little that he was able to be convinced that trading Luka Doncic was a good idea.
I don't trust anything that he does. Cuban at least has an understanding about basketball but is Jerry Jones level of incompetent.
If we walk out of here with Dennis Lindsay I'd consider ourselves lucky.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - ThisIStheYear - 11-20-2025
Martin and his contract are the real albatross on this franchise. They have to move him somehow. What a disaster of a trade. Kidd is also to blame for that one. He was incompetent and didn’t play Grimes, just like with Brunson before THj got hurt, so Nico probably didn’t realize he’s an excellent player. The only reason I’m okay with Kidd right now is because he is exquisite at tanking. I can’t even tell whether the gross underachieving this year is on purpose.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - F Gump - 11-20-2025
(11-20-2025, 06:37 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: If we walk out of here with Dennis Lindsay I'd consider ourselves lucky.
I think Lindsey is a very doable deal (no need for luck) if they choose to go that direction.
To the comments of others, he would not be a Cuban-controlled choice at all (some of us have been mentioning him since the spring, long before Cuban was said to be in favor of him). Lindsey has actually done the job before, and done it well (in Utah). He was squeezed out of Utah when the team was sold and the new owner wanted Ainge in charge. (They have been WAY worse with Ainge, for the record, and this year which is year 5 looks like it will be awful again as well.)
While I would be okay with Lindsey (I think he is skilled and will maximize the assets, and they do have lots of them to work woth), I still much prefer Presti. In any event, no moves until Lindsey-or-better gets here (to make sure we don't get screwed on the deal -- which I don't trust Cuban's oversight on that front at all, even though he's worlds better than Nico).
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - Chicagojk - 11-20-2025
I think Cuban going to the press saying we want to win and we aren’t trading AD should be exhibit 1000 for Dumont that you can’t bring back Cuban in a decision maker role. I mean you have temp GMs now who never had the role. Having a partial owner crow to the press is the last thing they need. Why even say anything? The article mentions how Cuban gets involved with things that causes a lot of frustration. I am sure Fin and Ricardi don’t like seeing Cuban talk g about roster decision to the media.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - vfromlmf - 11-20-2025
Hopefully we all remember that public statements from an owner, GM or much less an “adviser” mean practically nothing.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - F Gump - 11-20-2025
(11-20-2025, 08:54 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think Cuban going to the press saying we want to win and we aren’t trading AD should be exhibit 1000 for Dumont that you can’t bring back Cuban in a decision maker role. I mean you have temp GMs now who never had the role. Having a partial owner crow to the press is the last thing they need. Why even say anything? The article mentions how Cuban gets involved with things that causes a lot of frustration. I am sure Fin and Ricardi don’t like seeing Cuban talk g about roster decision to the media.
Yep, Cuban can't shut his mouth. And although He might not be telling the truth - and trying to be clever and mislead, as he sees it - it still causes issues for him to yammer away.
The answer is to get a highly-skilled GM, with a track record of expertise. Until then, we're screwed.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - Winter - 11-20-2025
(11-20-2025, 08:54 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think Cuban going to the press saying we want to win and we aren’t trading AD should be exhibit 1000 for Dumont that you can’t bring back Cuban in a decision maker role. I mean you have temp GMs now who never had the role. Having a partial owner crow to the press is the last thing they need. Why even say anything? The article mentions how Cuban gets involved with things that causes a lot of frustration. I am sure Fin and Ricardi don’t like seeing Cuban talk g about roster decision to the media.
Cuban is filling a vacuum now, but the new GM - whomever it is - will need to make boundaries clear. I expect a seasoned GM to be able to do that. There's no way that I see that Cuban keeps trying to fill a GM's role once that person is hired.
RE: MacMahon: Mavs to explore trade market for Davis, „plotting to pivot to the future“ - Dirknows - 11-20-2025
(11-20-2025, 09:14 AM)F Gump Wrote: Yep, Cuban can't shut his mouth. And although He might not be telling the truth - and trying to be clever and mislead, as he sees it - it still causes issues for him to yammer away.
The answer is to get a highly-skilled GM, with a track record of expertise. Until then, we're screwed.
Obviously he’s not telling the truth, AD value is just at an all time low. Need to get him back and healthy while simultaneously continuing to lose. He should definitely be on a minutes restriction for a bit. But I don’t think anyone in the league expects us to hang on to AD, maybe he gets moved over the summer but I see almost a 0% chance of him being on next years team. They’re trying to heal the wounds they created.