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RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - Jakeospikez - 11-04-2025

Houston has some of the best defenders in the entire league, cut em some slack.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - WillE - 11-04-2025

(11-04-2025, 02:20 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: They cannot afford to bench Flagg during home games. Place would riot. Might as well play him in away games too, since the season is over anyway.
Kidd's priority is to improve Flagg and I fully support to provide him with this experience even though it costs W's. From this perspective we are actually lucky that Kyrie & Co. are currently out, because therefore nobody is currently expecting too much anyway and Flagg can simply go through this learning process.

This approach also explains a lot of other topics. For example why Klay is still starting. He is the floor spacer for Flagg. Or why DLo is not starting. 

Flagg development is currently just more valuable than trying to win all games, as these chances are limited anyway.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - Chicagojk - 11-04-2025

Weird game for Cooper. Came out aggressive and doing things. After he dinged his shoulder, he just seemed out there.

He barely had the ball in the second half. I don’t think he got a rebound or maybe an assist in the second half either. He seemed a little slow on defensive rotations.

With how the rest of the roster is, I would much rather see him being super aggressive. Last night he looked very timid after his quick start.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - Chicagojk - 11-04-2025

Just a quick glance, but not sure that Houston team is a top 3 team. They have a ton of ways to get better by trade or internal development but I think they may be missing something.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - Chicagojk - 11-04-2025

As much as I like Marshall, I am not sure he is a fit here longterm. It is so depressing seeing him get a pass open at the three point line. With the already lack of shooting we have, I am not sure he is the best match. Despite being a good player on a good contract.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - meistermatze - 11-04-2025

Good effort for shorthanded Mavs. I mean we are missing our two best players (Kyrie, AD) and another key piece in Lively and we played the one opponent that tries the same vision than us (super big, no real PG but they are just better at it).

Flagg is way too passive overall but for a rookie, he's great. he's no Luka, but who is? He will be a 18/7/4 player at the end of the season with decent efficiency and good defense. Not mich more you can ask for.

Christie and PJ are great, Klay is unplayable, DLo as of right now needs to play 30+ minutes - he is way better overall than I thought and will be a steal once he is a real 6th man behind Kyrie. The rest of the team is the same as before and the team shows the same issues over and over again: Turnovers and lack of 3-point-shooting.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - ThisIStheYear - 11-04-2025

(11-04-2025, 02:20 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: They cannot afford to bench Flagg during home games. Place would riot. Might as well play him in away games too, since the season is over anyway.

I agree. That’s why I give Kidd credit. I even see the vision of making Flagg a point guard so he’s forced to improve his handles and off hand generally, which have been his downfall. It’s going to cost them games for awhile but maybe Nico can cook again in the lottery.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - HoosierDaddyKid - 11-04-2025

(11-04-2025, 08:03 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Just a quick glance, but not sure that Houston team is a top 3 team.  They have a ton of ways to get better by trade or internal development but I think they may be missing something.


Can't really make that determination 6 games in.  Some teams find their groove later in the season, just as some get off to a great start, and through injuries or other factors, finish poorly.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - mvossman - 11-04-2025

(11-04-2025, 04:29 AM)WillE Wrote: Kidd's priority is to improve Flagg and I fully support to provide him with this experience even though it costs W's. From this perspective we are actually lucky that Kyrie & Co. are currently out, because therefore nobody is currently expecting too much anyway and Flagg can simply go through this learning process.

This approach also explains a lot of other topics. For example why Klay is still starting. He is the floor spacer for Flagg. Or why DLo is not starting. 

Flagg development is currently just more valuable than trying to win all games, as these chances are limited anyway.

I don't think playing Flagg without a PG on the floor has any positive benefit for Flagg development.  I think he will be way better off when Kyrie comes back.  Flagg is a connector and operates much better with a functioning offense.  He is not an offensive hub, and that is not going to change just because you put him in a position to fail.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - mvossman - 11-04-2025

(11-04-2025, 08:03 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Just a quick glance, but not sure that Houston team is a top 3 team.  They have a ton of ways to get better by trade or internal development but I think they may be missing something.

They are definitely missing Vanvleet.  That was a gut punch loss for them after they just went all in on Durant.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - WillE - 11-04-2025

(11-04-2025, 10:27 AM)mvossman Wrote: I don't think playing Flagg without a PG on the floor has any positive benefit for Flagg development.  I think he will be way better off when Kyrie comes back.  Flagg is a connector and operates much better with a functioning offense.  He is not an offensive hub, and that is not going to change just because you put him in a position to fail.
https://dallashoopsjournal.com/p/kevin-durant-cooper-flagg-potential-dallas-mavericks-houston-rockets-nba-news/

"At Duke, Flagg was a 6-foot-9 do-it-all forward who could rebound, block shots, and ignite transition offense. In Dallas, head coach Jason Kidd and general manager Nico Harrison are challenging him to evolve into a more guard-oriented role — initiating offense, creating reads, and defending on the perimeter.
It’s a demanding transition, one Durant himself once faced.
Reflecting on his own journey, Durant recalled his time at the University of Texas, where he thrived in the mid-post, attacking slower defenders and controlling the glass. But in the NBA, the Seattle SuperSonics and Oklahoma City Thunder asked him to play shooting guard — requiring him to defend quicker players, create off the dribble, and master spacing on the perimeter.
“I hate to inject myself into his [situation],” Durant admitted. “But I came in college playing four, five. I came to the league playing a two. So it’s like position changes like that can really throw you off early on in your career, but I think he’s still working through it and having some good games, you know?”


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - mvossman - 11-04-2025

(11-04-2025, 01:37 PM)WillE Wrote: https://dallashoopsjournal.com/p/kevin-durant-cooper-flagg-potential-dallas-mavericks-houston-rockets-nba-news/

"At Duke, Flagg was a 6-foot-9 do-it-all forward who could rebound, block shots, and ignite transition offense. In Dallas, head coach Jason Kidd and general manager Nico Harrison are challenging him to evolve into a more guard-oriented role — initiating offense, creating reads, and defending on the perimeter.
It’s a demanding transition, one Durant himself once faced.
Reflecting on his own journey, Durant recalled his time at the University of Texas, where he thrived in the mid-post, attacking slower defenders and controlling the glass. But in the NBA, the Seattle SuperSonics and Oklahoma City Thunder asked him to play shooting guard — requiring him to defend quicker players, create off the dribble, and master spacing on the perimeter.
“I hate to inject myself into his [situation],” Durant admitted. “But I came in college playing four, five. I came to the league playing a two. So it’s like position changes like that can really throw you off early on in your career, but I think he’s still working through it and having some good games, you know?”

I don't think Durant is a good comp for Flagg and I don't think his long term position is going to be at guard.  I think he is still trying to adjust to the NBA game and I don't see playing him out of position as helping that process.  My concern is this is more about trying to compensate for roster construction imbalances than player development.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - omahen - 11-04-2025

(11-04-2025, 01:37 PM)WillE Wrote: https://dallashoopsjournal.com/p/kevin-durant-cooper-flagg-potential-dallas-mavericks-houston-rockets-nba-news/

"At Duke, Flagg was a 6-foot-9 do-it-all forward who could rebound, block shots, and ignite transition offense. In Dallas, head coach Jason Kidd and general manager Nico Harrison are challenging him to evolve into a more guard-oriented role — initiating offense, creating reads, and defending on the perimeter.
It’s a demanding transition, one Durant himself once faced.
Reflecting on his own journey, Durant recalled his time at the University of Texas, where he thrived in the mid-post, attacking slower defenders and controlling the glass. But in the NBA, the Seattle SuperSonics and Oklahoma City Thunder asked him to play shooting guard — requiring him to defend quicker players, create off the dribble, and master spacing on the perimeter.
“I hate to inject myself into his [situation],” Durant admitted. “But I came in college playing four, five. I came to the league playing a two. So it’s like position changes like that can really throw you off early on in your career, but I think he’s still working through it and having some good games, you know?”

That is all nice. I even don't think that Flagg is playing that badly. As someone else posted, Flagg is actually not really doing the PG role, as even Klay is posting a higher usage rate (I didn't check the numbers myself, just resaying what someone else said here). Mavs are even not being bad because of Flagg. It is true that offense is attrocious with him on the floor (just 99.6 offensive rating), however it doesn't get good without him (108.5 offensive rating) - only 5 teams have worse rating. Mavs offense is simply bad. DLo might not be best playmaker in the world, but he is not that bad either. Even with him on the floor, Mavs offense is just at 112, which would be 24th best offense in the league. It is true though, that it completely falls apart without him (93.3). This is not on players, even with all the injuries, Mavs have many offensively capable players. This is on Mavs offensive system, whatever it is. Either players are still adjusting to it and it will get better (it can hardly get worse, to be honest), or the system needs to change as it just doesn't fit.

Looking more at the stats, Klay is a big factor killing this offense. With him on the floor, Mavs offensive rating is at miserable 90. With Christie on the other hand, it is at 110 - he has similarly big on/off swing as DLo regarding the offensive rating. Another thing to notice - offensive rating is better with either Lively or Gafford on the floor (both above 110 offensive rating), but the sample is really small as they combined for only a bit over 80 minutes so far.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - WillE - 11-04-2025

(11-04-2025, 01:53 PM)mvossman Wrote: I don't think Durant is a good comp for Flagg and I don't think his long term position is going to be at guard.  I think he is still trying to adjust to the NBA game and I don't see playing him out of position as helping that process.  My concern is this is more about trying to compensate for roster construction imbalances than player development.
No one campered Flagg to Durant.

And I wouldn't even say Kidd & Co. necessarily think his "long term position" is at guard, but I'm sure they are convinced putting him through this ultimately helps him become the best version of himself.

So I guess we have to agree to disagree on this.

And with this about the reasoning: I am sure that Kidd would play Flagg like this in most rosters regardless. Because he believes it is the best for his soon to be best player.

...aaand he did the same already with Giannis...


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - mvossman - 11-04-2025

(11-04-2025, 02:14 PM)WillE Wrote: No one campered Flagg to Durant.

And I wouldn't even say Kidd & Co. necessarily think his "long term position" is at guard, but I'm sure they are convinced putting him through this ultimately helps him become the best version of himself.

So I guess we have to agree to disagree on this.

And with this about the reasoning: I am sure that Kidd would play Flagg like this in most rosters regardless. Because he believes it is the best for his soon to be best player.

...aaand he did the same already with Giannis...

Whether you want to call it a comp or not, I don't think what might have been good development for Durant or Giannis is necessarily good development for Flagg.  I don't think Kidd would play Flagg like this on this roster if healthy.  He would obviously start Kyrie if able.  I agree that we will have to agree to disagree.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - HoosierDaddyKid - 11-04-2025

(11-04-2025, 10:29 AM)mvossman Wrote: They are definitely missing Vanvleet.  That was a gut punch loss for them after they just went all in on Durant.

Totally forgot about Fred. They do miss him.  Good call.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - HoosierDaddyKid - 11-05-2025

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ooboyn/klay_thompson_was_very_upset_as_he_left_the_court/


Klay was upset after the loss to Houston.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - RoyTarpleysGhost - 11-05-2025

(11-05-2025, 09:18 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1ooboyn/klay_thompson_was_very_upset_as_he_left_the_court/


Klay was upset after the loss to Houston.

He gave up more money and moved from California to play with Luka.  Now he's stuck in Texas on a tanking team.  Career suicide.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - WillE - 11-05-2025

(11-04-2025, 02:57 PM)mvossman Wrote: Whether you want to call it a comp or not, I don't think what might have been good development for Durant or Giannis is necessarily good development for Flagg.  I don't think Kidd would play Flagg like this on this roster if healthy.  He would obviously start Kyrie if able.  I agree that we will have to agree to disagree.
Everybody can have their own opinion...my agrument for this being a good learning experience is that it puts him into new situations that require diffenrent skills than in college. Improving these exact skills exact will help him transition to the NBA competition.

We'll see what Kidd does with Flagg one Kyrie returns, but there should still be enough games until then. So my thinking on this was that for Flagg Kyrie's injury at least opened the opportunity for him to further develop his guard skills. Take the good with the bad.


RE: Game 7: Dallas Mavericks (2-4) vs. Houston Rockets (3-2) | 7:00pm CST - mvossman - 11-05-2025

(11-05-2025, 06:39 PM)WillE Wrote: Everybody can have their own opinion...my agrument for this being a good learning experience is that it puts him into new situations that require diffenrent skills than in college. Improving these exact skills exact will help him transition to the NBA competition.

We'll see what Kidd does with Flagg one Kyrie returns, but there should still be enough games until then. So my thinking on this was that for Flagg Kyrie's injury at least opened the opportunity for him to further develop his guard skills. Take the good with the bad.

I guess I'm not sure why he wouldn't learn just as much being a secondary creator next to a PG in a functional offense?

My opinion is that for a kid who should be playing in his first college basketball game, playing in the NBA is a massive adjustment and he has plenty of learning to do without the unnecessary complication of playing completely out of position.