(01-08-2026, 09:44 AM)michaeltex Wrote: Although I'm skeptical about the return DAL can get from ATL in an AD trade, I think it's important to try looking at the buyers POV. Having just gone through a house selling/buying experience last year gave me this perspective.

We have been watching AD closely for a year now and have dealt with all the frustration that went with his tenure. Plus the baggage of him replacing an absolute all-time fan favorite in the process. So we see a lot of the negatives and have to remind ourselves that his still really a phenomenal talent with game changing skills.

But the other team's POV, be it ATL or someone else, sees the stats that he puts up and how it would help their team but maybe discounts the negative issues in favor of adding said potential to their roster. So possibly the return, while not perfect, could be better than we think.

(01-08-2026, 09:54 AM)Dirknows Wrote: The issue with AD isn't his stats or on-court impact, it's his inability to be on the court. If he was playing 90% of the games since we traded for him, we could legitimately expect a return like the NOP pick. Unfortunately, he always has some sort of minor injury.

(01-08-2026, 08:34 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I've been having to work between the Fanspo Trade Checker and the Spotrac Trade Checker to get a full picture of what works/doesn't work.  Unfortunately, they disagree about Atlanta's payroll.  Both sites have already moved players to their new teams.  Fanspo still has the number at $8.3mm under the tax.  Spotrac has it at $6.78mm.  Most of the difference appears to be some second rounder from 2024 named Nikola Djurisic.  He makes $1.272mm this year and Fanspo doesn't show him on Atlanta's roster at all.  

Atlanta does have four guys at the end of their roster who are either non-guaranteed or partially guaranteed.  But, it doesn't appear they did anything by yesterday to move off of any of them.  

I thought the possibilities of an AD deal that keeps Atlanta under the tax were tight when I was using the Fanspo number.  But, if it's the smaller one Spotrac number (which I fear is true), this gets even more challenging once the Trae deal becomes official.  It kind of lends credence to what Killer has said about why they might be holding this open.  If deadlines make deals, Atlanta may have created a deadline.

(01-08-2026, 10:39 AM)F Gump Wrote: Spotrac salary total for ATL is 180,866,975. 
ESPN (trade machine) has the exact same number. 

That puts them a hair more than 7.0M below the 187,895,000 tax line, yes?

Obviously the trade must include AD on one side, and KP-Risacher-Kennard on the other to get the deal close, and then the Mavs add 2 players (or less) whose salaries won't take ATL over the tax line. The amount that can fit in there is about 6.225M.

IMO the best choice for the Mavs to fill that space is Hardy. That also helps next year payroll. The Powell-Exum combo is a way to fit in 2 players, but is worse for DAL because they then have no one left to waive for Nemby, and must cut much more salary (and a better player) instead. And there may be potential value available in offering to swap Kennard and/or KP to a contending team at the TDL (or sooner) for an expiring contract and a pick.

NO #1, later FRP, KP-R-Kennard
AD, Hardy

(01-08-2026, 10:44 AM)mvossman Wrote: I think the picks are fantasy land, but agree with the rest.  I'm thinking it might be D'lo instead.

(01-08-2026, 10:44 AM)mvossman Wrote: I think the picks are fantasy land, but agree with the rest.  I'm thinking it might be D'lo instead.

(01-08-2026, 09:36 AM)Dirknows Wrote: Quote from Hollinger:

"I should point out one key piece of flexibility Atlanta lost in this trade, however: It severely constrains the Hawks’ options for any in-season pursuit of Anthony Davis. The Dallas Mavericks big man makes $54 million, and the players Atlanta acquired from Washington cannot be re-aggregated in any future trade this season. That means that stacking the salaries of McCollum and Kispert won’t work as a salary match. Instead, any potential Davis deal would pretty much have to send Porziņģis, Risacher and the expiring deal of Luke Kennard to the Mavs to meet league requirements."

So I think we know who would be coming here, unless the trade gets expanded.

(01-08-2026, 11:39 AM)F Gump Wrote: You think ATL will simply be dictating terms, don't you? All of your views seem based on whatever makes ATL benefit the most. I just don't see a deal happening like that.

I think the Mavs would have to be somewhat wowed to persuade them to move AD before the summer, if at all, and I really doubt ATL offering a pile of rando junk with almost no value for DAL would do it.

(01-08-2026, 11:39 AM)F Gump Wrote: You think ATL will simply be dictating terms, don't you? All of your views seem based on whatever makes ATL benefit the most. I just don't see a deal happening like that.

I think the Mavs would have to be somewhat wowed to persuade them to move AD before the summer, if at all, and I really doubt ATL offering a pile of rando junk with almost no value for DAL would do it.

(01-08-2026, 11:49 AM)Winter Wrote: I do agree that Atlanta has to give back something of quality. This is Anthony Davis. A bunch of expiring junk and last year's underacheiving #1 isn't going to be enough.

It's all in the picks.

(01-08-2026, 11:39 AM)F Gump Wrote: You think ATL will simply be dictating terms, don't you? All of your views seem based on whatever makes ATL benefit the most. I just don't see a deal happening like that.

I think the Mavs would have to be somewhat wowed to persuade them to move AD before the summer, if at all, and I really doubt ATL offering a pile of rando junk with almost no value for DAL would do it.

(01-08-2026, 01:49 PM)Knutsen Wrote: In what world does Desmond Bane get you 4 first round picks and Anthony Davis zero?

The decision the Hawks have to make is do they want to compete in the next two to three seasons or rebuild with the top talent they can draft?

(01-08-2026, 02:16 PM)omahen Wrote: Who is saying anything about zero FRP? The big discussion is around the NO 2026 pick

Also, Bane trade didn't include a #1 pick from last year draft and did include a horrible KCP contract