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RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Plenty of Vets still Available. - mvossman - 07-21-2024
(07-21-2024, 09:56 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Not true whatsoever if Dinwiddie got 8-man rotation minutes, which he would (even worse if it's a promised condition of him signing). You go from DJJ, Green, PJ, Lively, Gafford, Exum, and Maxi as our top seven next to Luka and Kyrie, to Splash Grandpa, PJ, Lively, Dinwiddie, Gafford, Marshall, and Grimes or Exum. That's a lot more defensive holes.
I have no idea why we are assuming a vet min is getting 8 man rotation minutes, but even if that were true, its not in the ballpark of trading away two starters for a player that doesn't make any sense at all. Exum and Hardy were 10th and 11th on the team in minutes. Thats where his minutes would be coming from (assuming he is getting rotational minutes at all when team is healthy) and Hardy is probably a worse defender. I can see the concern regarding Hardy development, but team defense will mostly be defined by the top 9 guys already on the roster.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein: Mavs Moving to Fill Last Roster Spot; Dinwiddie, DSJ, THT - KillerLeft - 07-21-2024
(07-21-2024, 10:51 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: To me, its like drafting in the 50's. Do we really care about late seconds and 15th players on the roster?
If that's all it is, no argument. That guy would be insurance (Dinwiddie), OR insurance with some potential developmental upside (DSJ or THT). No issues.
I just don't think that's all it is.
For one thing, I feel almost 100% sure that Morris will be the last guy on the roster. I guess we don't know that FGump's "cushion" is even a thing, let alone his $1 million target for it, but I agree with the logic of it, so I'm low-key frightened that doing something like this might require more than just releasing the non-guaranteed year of Lawson. And, even if that is all they do (this guy replaces Lawson, Morris slides into the 15th slot), I really, really want to see Hardy in the rotation. I know that's not a popular opinion, but it's what makes sense to me.
Stein's words "desperately searching" and even just that this seems to be a real consideration have me low-key worried that they're going too far into "win-now" mode. Green is gone now in favor of a 34 year old (I'm ok with that, in a vacuum), and now it really seems like they're trying to give themselves a way not to play Hardy.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein: Mavs Moving to Fill Last Roster Spot; Dinwiddie, DSJ, THT - DanSchwartzgan - 07-22-2024
(07-21-2024, 11:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Stein's words "desperately searching" and even just that this seems to be a real consideration have me low-key worried that they're going too far into "win-now" mode.
The quote (at least in today's story) was "moving deliberately".
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein: Mavs Moving to Fill Last Roster Spot; Dinwiddie, DSJ, THT - KillerLeft - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 12:06 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: The quote (at least in today's story) was "moving deliberately".
Ah, my mistake. Possibly a totally different connotation, I admit.
Still don't like it. More Hardy, no geezers.
I'd probably be more on board if the two non-Dinwiddie youngsters were players I had any interest in, whatsoever, but it's gonna be Dinwiddie, I can feel it.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein: Mavs Moving to Fill Last Roster Spot; Dinwiddie, DSJ, THT - omahen - 07-22-2024
(07-21-2024, 11:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If that's all it is, no argument. That guy would be insurance (Dinwiddie), OR insurance with some potential developmental upside (DSJ or THT). No issues.
I just don't think that's all it is.
For one thing, I feel almost 100% sure that Morris will be the last guy on the roster. I guess we don't know that FGump's "cushion" is even a thing, let alone his $1 million target for it, but I agree with the logic of it, so I'm low-key frightened that doing something like this might require more than just releasing the non-guaranteed year of Lawson. And, even if that is all they do (this guy replaces Lawson, Morris slides into the 15th slot), I really, really want to see Hardy in the rotation. I know that's not a popular opinion, but it's what makes sense to me.
Stein's words "desperately searching" and even just that this seems to be a real consideration have me low-key worried that they're going too far into "win-now" mode. Green is gone now in favor of a 34 year old (I'm ok with that, in a vacuum), and now it really seems like they're trying to give themselves a way not to play Hardy.
Lawsons guarantee is on 1st of October, so I think he is dropped to resign Morris. I guess Mavs do have space for two vet min spots.
Dinwiddie as an insurance when Luka or Kai are out is good. Anything more I don't like and I doubt it will happen. But, it might also be a signal Mavs are not believers in Exum or even Hardy
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein: Mavs Moving to Fill Last Roster Spot; Dinwiddie, DSJ, THT - SleepingHero - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 12:12 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Ah, my mistake. Possibly a totally different connotation, I admit.
Still don't like it. More Hardy, no geezers.
I'd probably be more on board if the two non-Dinwiddie youngsters were players I had any interest in, whatsoever, but it's gonna be Dinwiddie, I can feel it.
I don't really see the downside of adding a known quantity in Dinwiddie, even if it MAY take chances away from Hardy.
In case any one of Luka/Kyrie/Exum has to miss games, Dinwiddie can step into that role pretty easily. He knows the system already and for whatever reason, he plays his best basketball in a Maverick uniform.
If Dinwiddie at this stage in his career is outplaying Hardy for minutes and gets his spot on the court, I think that's more a consequence on Hardy and the fact he can't/hasn't taken that next step than it is on Kidd/Dinwiddie leaning too much on vets.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein: Mavs Moving to Fill Last Roster Spot; Dinwiddie, DSJ, THT - SleepingHero - 07-22-2024
https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1815180170841424093
Does this video absolve Spencer of his weird comments before the playoffs?
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein: Mavs Moving to Fill Last Roster Spot; Dinwiddie, DSJ, THT - Deebo - 07-22-2024
Yes SPENCER. Back. Best signing all off-season!!!!
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein: Mavs Moving to Fill Last Roster Spot; Dinwiddie, DSJ, THT - SleepingHero - 07-22-2024
Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania)
Free agent guard Spencer Dinwiddie has agreed on a one-year deal with the Dallas Mavericks, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Dinwiddie reunites with Mavs as an ideal backcourt fit. He averaged 17.4 points in parts of two Dallas seasons and was key on 2022 West Finals team.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Mavs Fill Last Roster Spot - KillerLeft - 07-22-2024
Well, we're about to learn how much the Mavs are worried about Gump's cushion, I suppose. All that's left to do now is to re-sign Morris. Lawson's probably way gone (no problem there).
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Mavs Fill Last Roster Spot - SleepingHero - 07-22-2024
Current Mavs roster situation and how close they are to the 1st apron:
Player Salary Notes
1 Doncic 43,031,940
2 Irving 42,000,000
3 PJ Washington 16,000,000
4 Klay Thompson 15,873,016
5 Gafford 13,394,160
6 Maxi 11,000,000
7 Marshall 8,571,429
8 Lively 5,014,560
9 Grimes 4,296,682
10 Powell 4,000,000
11 Exum 3,150,000
12 Omax 2,870,400
13 Lawson 2,120,683 NG
14 Hardy 2,019,699
15 Dinwiddie 2,093,637
~ Morris-
Dead 2,208,856 McGee
Total Salary 177,645,062
Space Under/(Over)
First Apron 178,655,000 1,009,938
Second Apron 189,486,000 11,840,938
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein: Mavs Moving to Fill Last Roster Spot; Dinwiddie, DSJ, THT - Scott41theMavs - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 11:08 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1815180170841424093
Does this video absolve Spencer of his weird comments before the playoffs?
NO. He owes an unequivocal apology.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Mavs Fill Last Roster Spot - omahen - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 12:40 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Current Mavs roster situation and how close they are to the 1st apron:
Player Salary Notes
1 Doncic 43,031,940
2 Irving 42,000,000
3 PJ Washington 16,000,000
4 Klay Thompson 15,873,016
5 Gafford 13,394,160
6 Maxi 11,000,000
7 Marshall 8,571,429
8 Lively 5,014,560
9 Grimes 4,296,682
10 Powell 4,000,000
11 Exum 3,150,000
11 Omax 2,870,400
12 Lawson 2,120,683 NG
13 Hardy 2,019,699
14 Dinwiddie 2,093,637
15 Morris-
Dead 2,208,856 McGee
Total Salary 177,645,062
Space Under/(Over)
First Apron 178,655,000 1,009,938
Second Apron 189,486,000 11,840,938
You have 11 twice and Morris will likely replace Lawson as 15th guy. One has to go for Mavs to sign Morris
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Mavs Fill Last Roster Spot - SleepingHero - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 12:46 PM)omahen Wrote: You have 11 twice and Morris will likely replace Lawson as 15th guy. One has to go for Mavs to sign Morris
Whoopsie
Edited. Thank you.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Mavs Fill Last Roster Spot - omahen - 07-22-2024
Or perhaps Mavs will keep Lawson as deep bench wing insurance and ship Exum or Hardy. They have a lot of guards
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Mavs Fill Last Roster Spot - KillerLeft - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 12:51 PM)omahen Wrote: Or perhaps Mavs will keep Lawson as deep bench wing insurance and ship Exum or Hardy. They have a lot of guards
At this point, I think that makes a ton of sense. It's not what I expect, but it might be the right choice.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25: Mavs Fill Last Roster Spot - SleepingHero - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 12:51 PM)omahen Wrote: Or perhaps Mavs will keep Lawson as deep bench wing insurance and ship Exum or Hardy. They have a lot of guards
Current depth chart:
Luka/Exum/Dinwiddie
Kyrie/Grimes/Hardy
Klay/Marshall/Lawson
PJ/Maxi/OMax
Lively/Gafford/Powell
The biggest bottleneck is probably the Grimes/Hardy role. Grimes is big enough to float behind Klay so maybe thats where most of his minutes come while Marshall takes the backup 4 role.
I like our guard rotation now. A great mix of vets and young talent.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein: Mavs Moving to Fill Last Roster Spot; Dinwiddie, DSJ, THT - Knutsen - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 12:40 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: NO. He owes an unequivocal apology.
Do you guys mean his statement why he chose the Lakers? That was taken way out of context and wasn’t a diss at the Mavs at all.
If not, which comments do you mean?
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein: Mavs Moving to Fill Last Roster Spot; Dinwiddie, DSJ, THT - KillerLeft - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 01:03 PM)Knutsen Wrote: Do you guys mean his statement why he chose the Lakers? That was taken way out of context and wasn’t a diss at the Mavs at all.
If not, which comments do you mean?
It was misinterpreted, I think, relative to his meaning. But, the fault was his, not a lack of context, because his meaning was difficult to glean, due to the clumsiness and confusing nature of his analogy. It was a quote that probably wouldn't exist if he had thought about it more before speaking. There were far better ways, less open to interpretation ways, of expressing what I think he was trying to express.
RE: Trade & FA 2024-25:Stein: Mavs Moving to Fill Last Roster Spot; Dinwiddie, DSJ, THT - dirkfansince1998 - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 12:40 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: NO. He owes an unequivocal apology.
Put Mommy's boy on his jersey and all is forgiven.