(03-27-2021, 04:07 PM)omahen Wrote: The life some have. We can READ internet news, Followil HEARs it directly from the man. So jealus of you

(03-27-2021, 03:19 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Thank you for breaking that down.  Appreciate it.

I had not heard the George Hill talk.   I wonder how those conversations went.  Hill basically went for two second round picks.   I believe he is owed 10 million next year.   I wonder if we were a backup on that plan or we couldn't put a trade together.    I am guessing if it was Johnson, we would have needed to take back more salary.  Maybe that was the rub and OKC just found a cleaner deal?

If we traded for Hill, that would have taken us out of the bigger free agents this offseason, outside of sign and trades, right?

(03-27-2021, 03:53 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: That thought went through my mind, too, but I don't think "panic" is a label I would stick on it. 


More of a case where they were faced with a fast-approaching deadline, they had to make a decision based on incomplete information, and they made what they believed was the best decision they could on the information they had. 

Donnie was looking to do something that would help (or at least might help) the team THIS season. Based on the information presented to him, neither Johnson nor Iwundu was expected to be part of the rotation in the playoffs. So he used the second round pick to make a move that would at least have a chance of providing an additional tool in the playoffs. 

Given the circumstances, I'm still okay with the move, although I agree that the injury takes the shine off, at least to a degree.

(03-27-2021, 01:48 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: They're just not in that mode right now. They don't believe that it's "the smart play." You and I don't have to agree, but securing our agreement isn't a hurdle they have to clear. I can dig long form debates over the team's overall approach, but I just don't get how THIS piddly little move, made under the pre-existing and easily attained knowledge that they likely wouldn't even consider something like the Bledsoe thing you describe above, gets people's feathers so up. 

If they had held onto that 2nd, they absolutely would have included it in another trade over the summer. My strong instinct is that the same people who hate this trade would've hated that one, too. At some point, can't we just enjoy watching the team play with open minds?

(03-27-2021, 04:42 PM)F Gump Wrote: It sounds to me like their choices were at 2 points:

1 The 1st came down to Redick deal or no deal, at deadline time. If that's a panic move or a last-minute decision under the gun, it's still the choice they had to make.

2 The 2nd came down to Redick deal or no deal, at physicals time. When Redick arrived and was in worse shape than they expected, they could have kicked the deal. ALL TRADES are subject to the physicals, and can be voided per the physicals. Or amended (to some degree) by agreement. That was a deliberate choice, to go ahead and roll the dice, calculating that Redick might help and neither Johnson or Iwundu can.

(03-27-2021, 05:50 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: But that is my problem and the fact is so many fans have resigned themselves to that mindset that 2nd round picks are irrelevant anyway.  I could not disagree more with that mindset. 

How many undrafted free agents have turned into studs?  I might be missing someone but best I can think of is JJB and DFS types who turn into good role players  Jokic, Manu, and Marc Gasol were 2nd round picks who turned into studs. I am not even counting the number of solid players got late first and in the 2nd. I know the odds are still stacked against that but I am just not ok with throwing picks away for a short term solution. If Reddick helps us move to the 2nd round is it worth it? No. But I get the argument that in the short run that extra round might help keep Luka here a couple more years before he gets frustrated.  

However if you really want to keep Luka happy long term you have to hit on talent and 2nd round picks have value be it finding good players or in getting a more long term asset. Boston is already talking that if they can’t keep Fournier they can sign and trade him in the off-season and get more because the team getting him know that he will be theirs. That is the kind of thinking I want the MBT to adopt. You have your stud. Kudos. Now go and develop assets that help you get a long term player next to him.

(03-27-2021, 05:50 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: But that is my problem and the fact is so many fans have resigned themselves to that mindset that 2nd round picks are irrelevant anyway.  I could not disagree more with that mindset. 

(03-27-2021, 06:17 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: PS.  I think your point about the FO being profligate with picks in general is a legitimate debate to have, and there are some instances to point out. But I think this use of this particular pick here was pretty much a no-brainer, at least if he is indeed able to play.

(03-27-2021, 07:28 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: Who was it that said they sacrificed a 2nd to appease the angry Islanders?...

(03-27-2021, 07:34 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: I would not have given up a pick for Reddick. I like him as a player even at his age and with all the flaws on the defensive end. So it is not about him. Saying in this instance it is worth giving up that pick is exactly the reason why the Mavs have lost so many picks over the years.  If that was a deal breaker then I am ok with Reddick not being here . I understand fully why many feel it is ok and it is mainly because we all know that the chances of the Mavs doing much with that pick are slim to none anyway. But that mindset has to change a pick at a time. 

KL/Mavsluvr. I fully understand where you all are coming from but  I want the team to be extremely stingy with picks unless you really believe the player you are trading for has a chance to be a long term keeper or a key piece in a championship run. Else IMO it is just throwing a pick away no matter how irrelevant you believe that pick is.

(03-27-2021, 12:14 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: If Redick were to do that, then he should be barred from being able to sign anywhere else for the rest of the season. The NBA needs to crack down on players being able to hold franchises hostage.

I'll wait and see what happens. I don't think Redick would purposefully sitout since the Mavs are a playoff team and could use his services, but you never know.

(03-27-2021, 08:51 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: Richard Jefferson...

Both guys who did something about as sorry to get out of here and immediately sign with a contender. 

(03-27-2021, 08:51 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: Derek Fisher....

Richard Jefferson...

Both guys who did something about as sorry to get out of here and immediately sign with a contender. 

(And no, I don't buy that Derek Fisher was about his daughter...sorry, not after I watched him go right back out on the road.)

(03-27-2021, 10:39 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: I think a lot of fans here have just become desensitized to the value of picks given how poorly the MBT has done with the draft. I still see a lot of value in picks as assets to make long term changes.

(03-27-2021, 10:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I would counter by suggesting that perhaps you are a little desensitized to the value of having a guy like JJ Redick around.

(03-27-2021, 10:45 PM)chaparral Wrote: Was Redick on the Mavs bench tonight?

(03-27-2021, 10:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: No, he hasn’t reported yet, remember? The heel thing?

(03-27-2021, 10:57 PM)chaparral Wrote: Yes, as Skin asked in last nights game - what is a non surgical procedure on your heel.  But Redick played for NO and we are in NO tonight.  Has Redick not been in NO since this heel thing?