(12-30-2025, 05:24 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Hawks fans saying their owners are a little impatient and impulsive. I think the owners do not want to miss the play-offs, when they do not control their own pick.

The fans themselves want nothing to do with AD, unless it´s literally for nothing.

(12-30-2025, 04:50 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: I prefer to keep AD if this is the return

(12-30-2025, 06:19 PM)Winter Wrote: I feel certain Atlanta does not want to include any picks. On the other hand, I think our fans probably expect at least two first round picks. That's a wide gap.

Some where in the middle may be a first and a second round pick, but I would think the Mavs would just turn that down. These picks are contingent on the quality of players, how badly Atlanta wants to part with Trae or Porzingas, and maybe taxes, contracts, and assorted issues.

A third team probably changes all this, but it's hard to visualize.

(12-30-2025, 05:24 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Hawks fans saying their owners are a little impatient and impulsive. I think the owners do not want to miss the play-offs, when they do not control their own pick.

The fans themselves want nothing to do with AD, unless it´s literally for nothing.

(12-31-2025, 10:21 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: It seems to me the packages that Haynes thinks are available are comprised of players their teams don't want.  For Atlanta, it is Trae.  For GS it is Green/Kuminga.  Those teams are basically saying we recognize the risk (and upside) that is AD and we are willing to take that risk for stuff we want to get rid of anyway.

The Mav FO is traditionally quiet and I doubt the interim guys are suddenly negotiating through the media.  That leaves the agent who recognizes Dallas won't extend AD and a trade doesn't happen unless the offers get better.  So it is the agent trying to drum up interest in his guy as a means of getting him to a favorable location.

(12-31-2025, 11:52 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Here's more from Mannix/Nichols (really liking them, lately!). 

This is mostly from a Trae Young/ATL angle, but there is some very interesting overlap with the Mavs and AD that starts around 1:20. Honestly, it doesn't seem to me like the Mavs are being tight lipped at all, recently. The Haynes thing from last week seemed very confidently based on Mavs sources, and here, Mannix is presenting things like "the Mavericks have been focused on prying that New Orleans Pelicans pick away from ATL for a while"... He also goes into how little interest they have in Young, and discusses their messaging about Kyrie.

https://youtu.be/I_41bGGxVrw?si=DgsIO7sPd6CUmwJ2

(12-31-2025, 12:38 PM)mvossman Wrote: Those assessments sounds about right.  I think in an ideal world they find a third team for Trae.  It might be that Hawks are ready to move on from Trae but are struggling with the optics of the meager return they get for him.  If they make it a three team deal they can effectively say they sent out Trae to get AD.  I'm not married to Risacher.  I would be fine with adding more assets instead.  Newell is an interesting young player with a history with Flagg and much easier contract to stomach.

(12-31-2025, 12:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I ran across one of those "insiders" (for whatever that's worth) that claimed his Hawks guy told him a couple of months ago that the Mavs were pushing hard for Risacher, and that while they (ATL) kept him out of negotiations at first, they had recently caved and agreed to include him. The timing of this was supposed to have happened around the time Stein started using Risacher's name. 

Not sure what I believe or don't, but I do kinda think there's some legitimacy to all of this, at least in terms of serious negotiations happening between ATL and DAL. All the rumors are basically the same, but with minor differences. I really like that Mannix felt confident enough to say that not only has DAL asked for that Pelicans pick, but that they've been focused on prying it away "for a while." That doesn't mean they'll get it, obviously, but they're reaching for assets that could make a difference, at least.

(12-31-2025, 12:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I ran across one of those "insiders" (for whatever that's worth) that claimed his Hawks guy told him a couple of months ago that the Mavs were pushing hard for Risacher, and that while they (ATL) kept him out of negotiations at first, they had recently caved and agreed to include him. The timing of this was supposed to have happened around the time Stein started using Risacher's name. 

Not sure what I believe or don't, but I do kinda think there's some legitimacy to all of this, at least in terms of serious negotiations happening between ATL and DAL. All the rumors are basically the same, but with minor differences. I really like that Mannix felt confident enough to say that not only has DAL asked for that Pelicans pick, but that they've been focused on prying it away "for a while." That doesn't mean they'll get it, obviously, but they're reaching for assets that could make a difference, at least.

(12-31-2025, 01:08 PM)mvossman Wrote: Given that they are pushing for Risacher and the NOP pick, it seems unlikely they will settle for that crap return that Rick Paul liked.

(12-31-2025, 01:36 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't think there's any way they take a deal like that. I know some are so down on AD that they would, push come to shove, and I get it - for some, the conversation starts and ends with "he's always going to be hurt," and it's tough to convince someone whose opinion has reached that point that keeping Davis is even a viable option, but it would be for me, and I get the sense (could be wrong) that it is for the Mavs, too. 

That's a good thing, whether it's the right move or not, because it does give the Mavs a little more leverage, imho. If you're truly willing to maintain the status quo into the summer, or even into next season, then you won't make any terrible deals, and teams will figure that out. They either really want to trade for AD, or they don't. 

I don't really know what's true in terms of what the Mavs want to get out of any kind of ATL negotiations. There are a lot of variations on the rumors. But, I have gotten the sense that they're reaching for a lot, and that's encouraging for me, tbh.

(12-31-2025, 02:52 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Let's say they agree on Risacher and matching salary.  These are the picks Atlanta has: https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Hawks/1/draft-picks

2026:  Pelicans 1st rd pick  AND Cavaliers 1st rd pick
2027:  Less favorable of Pelicans or Bucks 1st rd pick
2028:  More favorable of their own 1st rd pick or Cavs 1st rd pick
2029:  Their own 1st rd pick

There are a lot of possibilities.  Are the Mavs ONLY getting one pick? so they're aiming for the most valuable Pelicans 2026 pick?  Or could you try to get two of the lesser picks?  or is ATL only offering the least valuable 2029 pick?

(12-31-2025, 02:52 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Let's say they agree on Risacher and matching salary.  These are the picks Atlanta has: https://fanspo.com/nba/teams/Hawks/1/draft-picks

2026:  Pelicans 1st rd pick  AND Cavaliers 1st rd pick
2027:  Less favorable of Pelicans or Bucks 1st rd pick
2028:  More favorable of their own 1st rd pick or Cavs 1st rd pick
2029:  Their own 1st rd pick

There are a lot of possibilities.  Are the Mavs ONLY getting one pick? so they're aiming for the most valuable Pelicans 2026 pick?  Or could you try to get two of the lesser picks?  or is ATL only offering the least valuable 2029 pick?