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RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - KillerLeft - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 03:16 PM)Kammrath Wrote: Whoa nice reporting there. Thanks for consolidating all that! Clearly, he prepared for a backup plan career as a beat writer if the play-by-play broadcasting career wasn't to be. Fortunately, he's living his dream, but it's nice to know he would've been successful as a reporter, too. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - ItsGoTime - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 02:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Ok, but that's my whole point.I think of it as 2 separate arguments. The one you're arguing is this one trade singled out. The one others are arguing is the long term one of is this a good FO. I think both arguments are fine, but you can't change the long term argument into the short term one and vise versa. It mucks things up and everyone talks over eachother and you get to where this is right now. To me, the discussion is good both ways cause you have to try to keep the FO honest (whatever that means for a message board community) and every individual move has to stand on their own two feet too. If you're playing the long term argument card, battling it out on the individual merits of each individual move makes sense, otherwise you have too much short term memory syndrome of those who will forget all these little details that would have to be hashed out later with less clarity. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - Chicagojk - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 03:09 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: I don't know if this is helpful, but here is what I have been able to gather as far as reporting on the transaction. Sources reported are primarily Mark Stein, Donnie, and Rick. Thank you for breaking that down. Appreciate it. I had not heard the George Hill talk. I wonder how those conversations went. Hill basically went for two second round picks. I believe he is owed 10 million next year. I wonder if we were a backup on that plan or we couldn't put a trade together. I am guessing if it was Johnson, we would have needed to take back more salary. Maybe that was the rub and OKC just found a cleaner deal? If we traded for Hill, that would have taken us out of the bigger free agents this offseason, outside of sign and trades, right? RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - Mavs2021 - 03-27-2021 It´s just another minor blemish. The Mavs only succeed, when it matters. They´ll get the big summer free agent acquisition right....like the last 10 summers, so stop whining about not having any draft picks. Who needs them. Nobody. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - KillerLeft - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 03:19 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think of it as 2 separate arguments. The one you're arguing is this one trade singled out. The one others are arguing is the long term one of is this a good FO. I think both arguments are fine, but you can't change the long term argument into the short term one and vise versa. It mucks things up and everyone talks over eachother and you get to where this is right now. I totally agree with all of this. It's just that those long term argument folks have a way of turning every conversation into the same argument, and while I get the point you're making about that, it's BORING. You think I don't want to hammer the "should've traded KP at the deadline" conversation into this board today? I absolutely believe they should have, and I absolutely think that's the only long term topic that actually matters right now, but out of respect to those around who I believe already know where I stand on that situation, I resist. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - Kammrath - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 03:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: You think I don't want to hammer the "should've traded KP at the deadline" conversation into this board today? I absolutely believe they should have, and I absolutely think that's the only long term topic that actually matters right now, but out of respect to those around who I believe already know where I stand on that situation, I resist. I wish you would, it would be a better conversation than this one...... RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - ItsGoTime - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 03:09 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: I don't know if this is helpful, but here is what I have been able to gather as far as reporting on the transaction. Sources reported are primarily Mark Stein, Donnie, and Rick.Man, I read this and kinda thought...they made a panic move. Again not a very detrimental one, but a panic move none-the-less. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - KillerLeft - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 03:28 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Man, I read this and kinda thought...they made a panic move. Again not a very detrimental one, but a panic move none-the-less. You could paint it that way. I don't think "last minute" equates to "panic" but it's possible that some of the scrambling that occurred when SA made the deal a bit worse. But, I don't think the entire thing was a panic move because they DO need shooting, and they DID need someone to take the role in which Burke seems unable to flourish. If we're counting MBT mistakes, I'd hit them harder for the Burke signing than I would for this trade (I was a major proponent of it at the time, too). It, too, is a minor inconvenience, because it's such a small dollar amount next season, but I think they believed he would fight with Brunson for a major role, and that is SO not what has happened. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - ItsGoTime - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 03:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I totally agree with all of this. It's just that those long term argument folks have a way of turning every conversation into the same argument, and while I get the point you're making about that, it's BORING.I'm with you on KP IF he goes down with a rest of the season injury between now and the end of their season. I want him at the most peak value we can get him to though because I think he has a lot of basketball left to be played and there's still a chance he reaches his potential. (03-27-2021, 03:32 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't think "last minute" equates to "panic" but it's possible that some of the scrambling that occurred when SA made the deal a bit worse.I think the last minute and not enough time to study the medicals are the two points that stuck out to me as panic. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - mavsluvr - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 03:28 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Man, I read this and kinda thought...they made a panic move. Again not a very detrimental one, but a panic move none-the-lessThat thought went through my mind, too, but I don't think "panic" is a label I would stick on it. More of a case where they were faced with a fast-approaching deadline, they had to make a decision based on incomplete information, and they made what they believed was the best decision they could on the information they had. Donnie was looking to do something that would help (or at least might help) the team THIS season. Based on the information presented to him, neither Johnson nor Iwundu was expected to be part of the rotation in the playoffs. So he used the second round pick to make a move that would at least have a chance of providing an additional tool in the playoffs. Given the circumstances, I'm still okay with the move, although I agree that the injury takes the shine off, at least to a degree. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - KillerLeft - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 03:39 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think the last minute and not enough time to study the medicals are the two points that stuck out to me as panic. Right, but the alternative was to let Johnson expire, which I promise you would've resulted in even more vitriol vomiting into this board today. You think people are mad about losing a 2nd? Just imagine what this place would be like if Johnson was still a Maverick. At some point, for me, it's like "what world do you people live in?" I mean, I'm as demanding as the next fan, but it's not like this stuff is easy, and it's not like a single person here is qualified to do half of what Donnie does every day. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - SamStetz - 03-27-2021 What’s the talk of the George Hill attempt? I must’ve missed that part... RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - ItsGoTime - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 03:53 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: That thought went through my mind, too, but I don't think "panic" is a label I would stick on it.For sure, and it's not like they traded Harden for Oladipo and some probable bad picks. I mean, if the second has to be included, there is the option to walk away and just cut your losses. Not totally sure JJ is gonna be the player some are thinking he will be, then again, he may surprise others too. That's why I take the best approach of wait and see. I think he is worth it if he helps us get a game or 2 in the playoffs, lopsided (our way) if he helps us get out of the first round. If he never shows up, or shows up but can't integrate fast enough and is a non-factor in the playoffs, it was a bad thing...still, not detrimental, but bad. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - omahen - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 03:58 PM)SamStetz Wrote: What’s the talk of the George Hill attempt? I must’ve missed that part... It was first time I heard it today. But if I remember correctly, Johnson was traded to us from OKC, which means we couldn't send him back. Without him, Mavs would need to send a couple of players to OKC, roughly Iwundu, Burke and WCS. Philly only sent expiring salary, so who knows what would be the Mavs price with those Burke and Iwundu contracts. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - KillerLeft - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 04:02 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Not totally sure JJ is gonna be the player some are thinking he will be, then again, he may surprise others too. That's why I take the best approach of wait and see. I think he is worth it if he helps us get a game or 2 in the playoffs, lopsided (our way) if he helps us get out of the first round. If he never shows up, or shows up but can't integrate fast enough and is a non-factor in the playoffs, it was a bad thing...still, not detrimental, but bad. So fair and thoughtful here. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - mavsluvr - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 03:19 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I had not heard the George Hill talk. I wonder how those conversations went. Hill basically went for two second round picks. I believe he is owed 10 million next year. I wonder if we were a backup on that plan or we couldn't put a trade together. I am guessing if it was Johnson, we would have needed to take back more salary. Maybe that was the rub and OKC just found a cleaner deal?Sorry, I didn't hear any elaboration on the George Hill talks. Was mentioned in the context of reporting that they were actively pursuing this and other deals, that they were particularly interested in Hill, and when those deals disappeared at the eleventh hour, this Redick opportunity came up, giving them a quick decision to make. I think the Hill info confirms that they see additional playmaking as a priority. They ended up getting a shooter, which they viewed as an even higher priority. If I hear anything else on Hill, I'll try to get back. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - omahen - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 04:05 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: If I hear anything else on Hill, I'll try to get back. The life some have. We can READ internet news, Followil HEARs it directly from the man. So jealus of you RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - KillerLeft - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 04:07 PM)omahen Wrote: The life some have. We can READ internet news, Followil HEARs it directly from the man. So jealus of you RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - mavsluvr - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 04:02 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: For sure, and it's not like they traded Harden for Oladipo and some probable bad picks. Agree that we won't know how it all turned out until we see what, if anything, Redick is able to add. But in judging the decision that had to be made at the time, we can only consider the information that was available. Under the same facts and circumstances, I think most, if not all, front offices would have done this deal. I view this as mostly found money. If Redick can help the team, great! If it turns out he can't, it's not like the deal is making the team worse. They gave themselves a chance to get Luka some help in the playoffs, and that's about all you can ask for a second-round pick. RE: TRADE: JJ Redick + Nicolo Melli to DAL | JJ + Iwundu + 2021 2nd + cash to NOP - ItsGoTime - 03-27-2021 (03-27-2021, 04:07 PM)omahen Wrote: The life some have. We can READ internet news, Followil HEARs it directly from the man. So jealus of youFor sure, the greatest bit going today! BTW, anyone remember Cubanshairdresser? If I remember correctly that was pretty much confirmed to be Mark (edit: Followil that is). He stopped posting under that name some time ago (if indeed that was him). |