MavsBoard
MAVS NEWS: - Printable Version

+- MavsBoard (https://www.mavsboard.com)
+-- Forum: Boards (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=1)
+--- Forum: Dallas Mavericks and the NBA (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=2)
+--- Thread: MAVS NEWS: (/showthread.php?tid=2172)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal (to be RFA) - mvossman - 07-06-2022

(07-06-2022, 01:15 PM)F Gump Wrote: Probably. It also was what was negotiated, so it had to do with what his agent wanted too, and it was mixed with their analysis of what they expected they would have to do when it came to re-sign him and how it would be most advantageous. They gambled on "wait as long as possible before we have to decide on a new deal" and lost.

The 3-year deal is no guarantee. Or a 3-year with an option, Parsons signed that deal with HOU and got away, because it got too rich for their blood. So they only got him for 3 years not 4. RFA is only an opportunity, not a guarantee -- and if we think about it, if the Mavs could have matched the Knicks offer, they apparently wouldn't have, given that the DAL offers were significantly less, so JB would have left anyhow.

Yes, it could have been worse.  For all the complaining that we should have done the contract to make him an RFA last offseason, The Nicks probably offer something more than his max extension (which we never offered) but less than what he is making now and we let him walk (just like this offseason).  In that scenario, the Nicks get a great deal on Brunson, have him a year earlier, and we probably don't go to WCS (or even make it out of the first round).


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - Kammrath - 07-07-2022

https://twitter.com/All_Things_Mavs/status/1545015381416370176


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - Kammrath - 07-07-2022

https://twitter.com/All_Things_Mavs/status/1545013574694846467


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - Kammrath - 07-07-2022

RE: Tyler Dorsey

  • Height w/o shoes: 6' 3"
  • Wingspan: 6' 5.25" (!!)
  • Excellent athlete with good testing numbers.
  • Shot 39.7% from three the last three season in Europe.
  • Averaged 18.9 pts, 2.9 ast, 4.2 rbd, 1.1 stl, 2.8 TO per 36 mins the last three seasons .



RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - dirkfansince1998 - 07-07-2022

(07-07-2022, 07:12 AM)Kammrath Wrote: Averaged 18.9 pts, 2.9 ast, 4.2 rbd, 1.1 stl, 2.8 TO the last three seasons.


Per36?


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - Chicagojk - 07-07-2022

(07-07-2022, 07:12 AM)Kammrath Wrote: RE: Tyler Dorsey

  • Height w/o shoes: 6' 3"
  • Wingspan: 6' 5.25" (!!)
  • Excellent athlete with good testing numbers.
  • Shot 39.7% from three the last three season in Europe.
  • Averaged 18.9 pts, 2.9 ast, 4.2 rbd, 1.1 stl, 2.8 TO the last three seasons.

Where are you seeing 18.9?  I am seeing 10 or 11 per game.


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - Chicagojk - 07-07-2022

(07-07-2022, 07:04 AM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/All_Things_Mavs/status/1545013574694846467

You are not bringing him back to the states to play in the G-league, I don't believe.  I also don't think you would bring back a player his age and the overseas options he has to be your 12th man.   

I would think the role for him is 9th-10th man shooter off the bench.   The issue is Dallas has Josh, Frankie and Hardy sort of in those slots.  And Hardaway will soak up a large # of the backcourt minutes.

Now maybe you can say he fits better than either Josh or Frankie.   I don't know enough him to weigh in.   With the roster as is today, it doesn't make a ton of sense.  Maybe the picture will be more clear over the next few weeks.


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - Kammrath - 07-07-2022

Edited! Forgot to add per 36 mins!


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - Kammrath - 07-07-2022

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1545037530579570688


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - KillerLeft - 07-07-2022

(07-07-2022, 07:04 AM)Kammrath Wrote: https://twitter.com/All_Things_Mavs/status/1545013574694846467

https://twitter.com/KirkSeriousFace/status/1545013356414865408?s=20&t=iconE1aWN5TlRONAeKXP1Q


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - mvossman - 07-07-2022

(07-07-2022, 09:17 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: https://twitter.com/KirkSeriousFace/status/1545013356414865408?s=20&t=iconE1aWN5TlRONAeKXP1Q

Its interesting to me how there was a ton of praising for Nico after the Wood trade, but since then as the offseason has unraveled into complete disaster, there has not been a single mention of him.  I think folks were so hopeful that Nico would turn this FO around, but if you take a step back and look at things from a distance, it was always unlikely that they were going to be able to fix a dysfunctional FO with an over meddling owner by hiring somebody with zero NBA experience.


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - KillerLeft - 07-07-2022

(07-07-2022, 09:23 AM)mvossman Wrote: Its interesting to me how there was a ton of praising for Nico after the Wood trade, but since then as the offseason has unraveled into complete disaster, there has not been a single mention of him.  I think folks were so hopeful that Nico would turn this FO around, but if you take a step back and look at things from a distance, it was always unlikely that they were going to be able to fix a dysfunctional FO with an over meddling owner by hiring somebody with zero NBA experience.

I don't know that this is fair...it might be, but then again, there absolutely IS a set of financial parameters in place, and I'm not talking about only what the rules will/won't allow. I'm talking about a set of "what Cuban is willing to do" rules concerning spending. We don't know exactly what they are, and I'm sure they're contingent on opportunity value (in Cuban's judgement) to a certain extent, but it's clear these rules exist. 

Knowing that, maybe Dorsey is the best option? I'm going to try to give the kid a chance. As @"Chicagojk" mentioned, I don't see him turning down good contract offers from multiple European teams for an NBA two-way at 26. Even those European jobs (the ones from reputable clubs who actually pay what they promise) are kind of hard to get, from what I can tell.


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - Winter - 07-07-2022

(07-07-2022, 09:30 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't know that this is fair...it might be, but then again, there absolutely IS a set of financial parameters in place, and I'm not talking about only what the rules will/won't allow. I'm talking about a set of "what Cuban is willing to do" rules concerning spending. We don't know exactly what they are, and I'm sure they're contingent on opportunity value (in Cuban's judgement) to a certain extent, but it's clear these rules exist. 


If people didn't complain, the board would likely go dead. 

But the only logical answer to the present mess is to wait until the Mavericks say they're finished, and then have an opinion. I mean they could be working a S&T or a player-for-player trade, but until we hear from the FO, we won't know.

My exception to this rule is the Jason Brunson swing-and-miss. That's clearly an unforced error, and they should be smacked around for it.


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - KillerLeft - 07-07-2022

(07-07-2022, 09:40 AM)Winter Wrote: But the only logical answer to the present mess is to wait until the Mavericks say they're finished, and then have an opinion. I mean they could be working a S&T or a player-for-player trade, but until we hear from the FO, we won't know.


Sure, that's logical. But, then again, we all came to talk Mavs, and waiting isn't really very fun.


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - Winter - 07-07-2022

(07-07-2022, 09:44 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Sure, that's logical. But, then again, we all came to talk Mavs, and waiting isn't really very fun.


No it's not. 

I have a twitch in one eye. And I may be getting a rash.


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - Jommybone - 07-07-2022

Wing depth: 

Doe-Doe, Reg, Timmy, Josh, Frank, Tyler, Theo. Can’t believe they’re all hear come November.


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - Chicagojk - 07-07-2022

(07-07-2022, 09:59 AM)Jommybone Wrote: Wing depth: 

Doe-Doe, Reg, Timmy, Josh, Frank, Tyler, Theo. Can’t believe they’re all hear come November.

Can't be.....and really Frank, Josh and Tyler aren't really even wings.  They can play a little there.  I view Wings as 6'7 to 6'9 guys.    And Theo probably can't be counted on to help on the floor besides a few spot minutes.


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - ItsGoTime - 07-07-2022

(07-07-2022, 10:05 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Can't be.....and really Frank, Josh and Tyler aren't really even wings.  They can play a little there.  I view Wings as 6'7 to 6'9 guys.    And Theo probably can't be counted on to help on the floor besides a few spot minutes.
Interesting that you say their names with THJ on the list too. To me, Green is the most wing-y of that group. The others are pure SGs or Gs.


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - Jommybone - 07-07-2022

Huh. When I was playing (80s & early 90s), traditional lineups were 2 guards, 2 forwards, 1 center. And modern lineups were 1 point, 2 wings, 2 posts. So “wing” has a different meaning in my mind.


RE: MAVS NEWS: interest in Thybulle? Kyrie?? | Hardy to sign 3-yr deal - KillerLeft - 07-07-2022

(07-07-2022, 10:18 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Interesting that you say their names with THJ on the list too. To me, Green is yhe most wing-y of that group. The others are pure SGs or Gs.


I have learned over the past year that there's a huge discrepancy in this community about just how terms like "wing," and "positionless basketball" are used and understood. I believe these concepts are thought to make communication easier around here, but I've noticed that they're actually the cause of quite a bit of misunderstanding. 

For example, when I think "wing" I absolutely include the 2 (off-guard) with that brush. In fact, from a traditional basketball perspective, I think that term used to mean players whose positions were 2 or 3. I believe many people include the 4 in that blanket these days, too. But, that gets confusing, I think, because Kleber (just an example) can certainly play the 4, but I wouldn't really consider him a "wing." Sure, having a wing big enough to man the 4 full time (thinking Durant, as an example) is a huge advantage nowadays, but I think the distinguishing characteristics are what the player brings to the position, not necessarily that the term can be used to describe any player not playing the 1 or the 5. 

I think "positionless basketball" is the most abused idea of all though. Its meaning seems to have been distorted so much by the talking heads in the media (most of whom don't really understand basketball) that we're all just pretending there aren't positions anymore. There are, of course, because each player on the court must know what position they're playing in order to know what their role is in the offensive/defensive systems. I think the term is meant to allow us to view the mix of players on the court as a mix of skills, not positions, but to me, it's an overused and misunderstood term. 

Back to your point: I agree Green is a wing. I think THJ is, too. I also agree that Ntilikina looks like a guard and has guard in his history, but the Mavs seem to be grooming him to play wing in this system, at least to me. I think his chance to handle the ball ended with his opportunity in NY.

(07-07-2022, 10:26 AM)Jommybone Wrote: Huh. When I was playing (80s & early 90s), traditional lineups were 2 guards, 2 forwards, 1 center. And modern lineups were 1 point, 2 wings, 2 posts. So “wing” has a different meaning in my mind.

Yes, I agree. "Wing" derives from a place on the court, as does "posts."