(07-05-2022, 06:03 PM)F Gump Wrote: It should be noted that the diff between 2 yrs and 3 yrs doesn't make any diff as to Mavs ability to make Hardy a RFA at the end. It's just adding one more year on the minimum, before a decision needs to be made on the next deal.

(07-05-2022, 06:07 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: Wouldn't the 3rd year be the difference between having full bird rights instead of just early bird rights if we only gave him 2 years?

(07-05-2022, 06:49 PM)F Gump Wrote: Yes, but no. The difference wouldn't matter, because you only need EB rights to match a 2-yr player. It's merely a matter of whether you want to match.

(07-05-2022, 08:01 PM)F Gump Wrote: "So I think that is the max - and if Hardy blossoms, he could choose the QO and then be UFA the next year rather than taking basically the MLE."

If a RFA 2 year player takes the QO, then (assuming they are good) the next summer they will get a QO and will be a RFA again. I don't think that's really a big win for the player, but I guess it could depend on the player and how fast he develops.

To me the big team advantage of a longer initial contract is that it sorta forces the team to be patient and let the player develop. You are committing to longer. Some players take a bit longer, and you need more time to know if you want to commit to another deal.

(07-05-2022, 08:01 PM)F Gump Wrote: "So I think that is the max - and if Hardy blossoms, he could choose the QO and then be UFA the next year rather than taking basically the MLE."

If a RFA 2 year player takes the QO, then (assuming they are good) the next summer they will get a QO and will be a RFA again. I don't think that's really a big win for the player, but I guess it could depend on the player and how fast he develops.

To me the big team advantage of a longer initial contract is that it sorta forces the team to be patient and let the player develop. You are committing to longer. Some players take a bit longer, and you need more time to know if you want to commit to another deal.

(07-05-2022, 08:28 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: That is not what I would expect...  if a player is a RFA and takes the QO, doesn't that make them an UFA?

(07-05-2022, 08:36 PM)F Gump Wrote: Not necessarily. If he's a RFA after yr 1 or 2, and takes QO, his team can make him RFA the following year.  In the most extreme case, a player could be RFA each summer and take QO each time for 3 summers in a row, before getting to UFA the next summer.

(07-05-2022, 09:11 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: Thanks for the info.  That absolutely sucks for the player.  Terrible rule.

(07-05-2022, 09:34 PM)F Gump Wrote: Yes, and no. Not good in some ways, very fair in others.

Keep in mind that if the player is any good, the first time they are RFA they will get multi-year offers and raises in the process to pick from. Probably from the old team too. Signing a QO should be a last resort, and if you do that you probably have unrealistic expectations thinking you are worth more than  you are.

The RFA setup is obviously weighted to the advantage of the old team, but that's reasonable since they have put in the time and work to develop the player to be worth more in the first place. They get the first claim on the early years of this player they are developing.

(07-05-2022, 09:55 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: Yes, I agree with the RFA process being slanted towards the team, but the player should have the ability to take the QO and bet on themselves the next season.  Not get locked into another year of RFA.  I have never heard that before, but I imagine you know what you are saying.

Doesn't sound right that if a player is a 2 year, becomes a star, and is forced to take the MLE or be a RFA again the next year.

(07-06-2022, 06:01 AM)Cherokee Parks is the Future Wrote: Voyager Digital filed bankruptcy today.   The Crypto company Mark Cuban was in business with and even made an official partner of the Dallas Mavericks less than a year ago is dead.  Locked their customers account 2 weeks ago so they couldn't move their money or coins out and now it looks like those assests are gone.

The company made risky loans that defaulted and are now headed for the door with their customers assets.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/06/crypto-firm-voyager-digital-files-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy-protection.html

https://www.mavs.com/mavsvoyager/

(07-06-2022, 06:01 AM)Cherokee Parks is the Future Wrote: The company made risky loans that defaulted and are now headed for the door with their customers assets.

(07-06-2022, 01:06 PM)F Gump Wrote: The benefit to Mavs (of a 3rd year) is to keep him on minimum salary longer, before he hits free agency at all.

(07-06-2022, 01:07 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Was this their thinking with Brunson? To get that low salary for a FOURTH year?