(11-24-2025, 10:27 PM)cow Wrote: Hard pass.  Kuminga's contract is up after next year.

(11-24-2025, 10:17 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Stein keeps saying Gafford is the most tradeable Mav (whatever that means).  Isaac on Locked On Mavs proposed Gafford/Naji for Kuminga today.  You have to add a minimum exception guy coming back to make the money work.

Probably not equal value for GSW, but they really could use a center.  Marshall gets the Kuminga minutes, so sending out Kuminga doesn't create a lineup hole for them.  We are still overcrowded at forward with Flagg, PJ and Kuminga (Davis moves to center full time).  The think I like is that it adds a longer term youngster to the mix.  PJ, Flagg and Kuminga probably can't get minutes together, but Flagg and Kuminga certainly can...maybe for years to come.

(11-24-2025, 10:31 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: He had one other (out of a dozen or so) that caught my attention.  It was centered around Davis to Atlanta, Trae to Orlando and Suggs to Dallas.  There was other stuff.  In fact, I think we got Okongwu in this iteration.

(11-25-2025, 12:54 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Here is something that increases the likelihood of a Kings trade. They are 2-9 with Sabonis; 3-4 without him. Sabonis is 29 already. I´m not even sure I want Sabonis + Ellis, if the Kings 2026 pick is not in it.

(11-24-2025, 10:51 PM)mvossman Wrote: I'm not sure a guy who doesn't space the floor is the right fit next to Flagg.  I could be totally wrong, but that guy does not move the needle for me.

(11-25-2025, 10:17 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Valid point.  I’d probably still take Kuminga based on upside.  But, without that three point shot, he’s basically a younger and more athletically dynamic version of Naji.  

If I have one disappointment in the early going regarding Flagg, it is that he’s starting to pass on open 3’s.  The need for someone like Kuminga (or PJ or Naji) to be a great 3 point shooter would be lessened if Flagg becomes a knock down shooter some day.

(11-25-2025, 10:35 AM)F Gump Wrote: I'd rather build around CF the other way -- target players who make it EASIER for him to stick to his strengths (and work to grow from there) rather than target players which will force him to play into his weaknesses, to try to cover for them.

(11-24-2025, 10:33 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: You can easily fix that this summer if you like him.  26/27 is a Team Option.

(11-25-2025, 10:10 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Is there some Sabonis/Ellis proposal out there that I missed?  I’ve seen some Sabonis to GSW stuff, but nothing Mav’s related.  

If I’m GSW, I might rather have Gafford (especially versus the 2025 version of Sabonis so far).  I get that Sabonis is the better player, but to realize his strengths, you have to take the ball out of the hands of really good players.  Gafford would be purely additive and at a much lower price.

(11-24-2025, 10:17 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Stein keeps saying Gafford is the most tradeable Mav (whatever that means).  Isaac on Locked On Mavs proposed Gafford/Naji for Kuminga today.  You have to add a minimum exception guy coming back to make the money work.

Probably not equal value for GSW, but they really could use a center.  Marshall gets the Kuminga minutes, so sending out Kuminga doesn't create a lineup hole for them.  We are still overcrowded at forward with Flagg, PJ and Kuminga (Davis moves to center full time).  The think I like is that it adds a longer term youngster to the mix.  PJ, Flagg and Kuminga probably can't get minutes together, but Flagg and Kuminga certainly can...maybe for years to come.

(11-26-2025, 10:19 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I saw bill simmons had a fake trade.  Timings [Kuminga] to the bulls.  Gafford and an expiring to Golden state and White to Dallas.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRiA6uWkmfS/?igsh=cGZ5N2o2c21uMXM4

• Hornets get: Davis and Christie (via NTMLE... or Naji or Martin, whoever the Hornets prefer).
  
• Mavs get: Knueppel, Filler (Sexton, GWill, Connaughton) and 2027 Mavs pick.
  

(11-27-2025, 07:20 AM)F Gump Wrote: My observations ...

1 Kuminga can't be traded until late January, which allows us to get a better read on Kyrie's return (and what the team looks like after that happens). 

2 In such a deal, I would want "Gafford and Hardy" to be the outgoing to GS since White may only be a short-term guy. You're buying the "joy" of getting to deal with that contract situation. CHI is the big winner in the players moving, so they would have to add pick compensation to GS to balance the deal.

3 BUT -- I am not sure the Mavs could afford to re-sign White, because their cap sheet is such a disaster already. Even if you include Hardy, a raise for White (current salary is about 12.9M) lands them over A2, unless we can assume DAR is gone too and replaced with minimum salary. Then again, is White worth more than MLE money in today's economics? But if you are likely to have to let him walk because he won't be worth the money, didn't you give away Gaff for nothing? That's not a good plan. 

4 This being desirable and working out also depends on the dependability of AD and to a lesser extent Lively. That a big roll of the dice on an outcome with long odds. But I'm not sure how to fix the issue of having a lot of centers who can't ever play. In theory I like AD as a key member of the team, but he only makes sense to build around if you can get 70 games a year from him. His contract is MASSIVE and keeps you from roster-building to cover for his absences.

(11-27-2025, 04:18 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I just realized there is a devious play in this Chicago deal, if you can work some wizardry (literally no pun intended).

Bulls, Bucks and Celtics are all hovering around 7 to 11th spot in the East. All three actually own their 1st round picks in 2026.

What if you trade

Bulls

AD
K. Porter
G. Harris

Bucks

White

Celtics

Vucevic

Mavs

Simons
Collins
Essengue
Bulls unprotected 1st 2026
Celtics unprotected 1st 2026
Bucks unprotected 1st 2026

Basically you gamble on the Bucks, Bulls and/or Celtics not making it out of the play-in, so you get multiple shots at winning the lottery. Most likely two out of those three will be in the lottery.

Bucks might do it, cause they are desperate for Giannis. 
Bulls will do it, cause they are desperate in general, never tank and get AD for expiring contracts. 
Celtics will do it, cause they know, when Tatum returns they are not missing the play-offs either directly or through the play-in, but could still win the title. Would even do the Celtics deal with top 4 protection.

(11-27-2025, 05:37 PM)omahen Wrote: While you made an interesting proposal, I don't think it works for Celtics. They already "declared" they are not trading a FRP to dump Simons. Especially not for a 35 year old Vucevic. They are not delusional they will compete this season. They will either get something interesting for Simons or let his contract expire.

(11-27-2025, 06:35 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Why is it delusional for them to compete? They are 10-8 without Tatum. They just 3pt bombed Detroit and Orlando B2B.  If Tatum looks likely to return this season, I guarantee you they are trading that contract for a contending piece this season and ideally moving forward. Maybe that actually makes Gafford the more likely target for them.