(11-10-2025, 07:49 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'm not sure you've made an argument for maximizing AD's value in an in-season trade.  It is universally accepted that Nico got fleeced on the Luka deal.  Miami didn't get young players (30 year old Wiggins and 27 year old Mitchell) or pick(s) (a protected 2025 that ended up in the 20's) for Butler.  

I will say that I admire the fact you are at least throwing things out there (your Charlotte idea) and not simply asserting things to be true.  I presume you mean Sexton instead of Claxton.  They aren't trading Knueppel.  To get to a legal trade, it will need to be Sexton and Miles Bridges or Sexton, Grant Williams and Josh Green once you remove Knueppel as a possibility (so let's presume it is Sexton and Bridges).  

They can take players into an exception, which makes it easier to trade match and then add things from the Dallas side to keep the rosters balanced (so, it could be Davis/Hardy in an exception for Sexton/Bridges).  And, they have stockpiled some picks.  The problem with Charlotte is they changed out management and aren't doing dumb Charlotte things like they used to.  I would agree they were a possibility under the old regime.  Nowadays it feels like they are being run by actual professionals.  With that said...if Charlotte would do it, would we be interested in Bridges, Sexton and our 2027 back for Davis/Hardy?  I wouldn't.  I think that would be the epitome of impatience

(11-10-2025, 10:34 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I will be pretty surprised if AD is traded this year.  Even if Nico is fired.  

#1 for me is get him moving better.  He looked much slower than he was with the Lakers.   So, with the injury I am fine taking a longer range view of him.  Get him healthy and ramp up the conditioning.   Don't just throw him back out there.   This season already looks like a difficult one.  Don't make a short term decision.

I am in the mind that this GM spot would be a desirable job.   Now, maybe Dumont is really bad.  I just get the impression that he is mostly a silent owner, I think.   You already have the piece that almost every team wants to find (A young future strar).  You have a lot of good players on good contracts (but not reallly the ideal fit).   You have two high priced veterans who have injury concerns but not the type of players that would worry me as a new GM.    And you potentially have another lottery pick this year.   The Mavs don't control their picks but they are only -1 first round pick that they are missing.    I am not sure with Flagg that you should focus on long lottery wishes.   Get a lottery pick this year and things can turn around pretty quickly.  The west is brutal though so it will be an uphill battle.  I just don't think the roster is in a bad place if someone competant could make a few smart moves.

(11-10-2025, 10:29 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: AD for KP + filler and Pelicans pick is my dream scenario. Charlotte can return our pick in a Gafford trade, which should happen if we decide to rebuild anyway.

But that is too optimistic

(11-09-2025, 06:47 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: Since Jaden Ivey is injured it would be right on brand for Nico to trade Klay and a future 1st for him.

(11-10-2025, 11:43 AM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: I want Davis off this team. His fit is terrible for this team. His timeline with Flagg is off. And he's not reliable.

I want to maximize his value while he still has it. But with all of that said. I don't see an in-season trade being advantageous for the Mavs. The off season will open up more teams and more opportunities. We also need Nico far away from this team and not making trades.

Either way, I struggle to find a trade match for him. I don't see many teams that can match his salary with good young players we want, plus the picks. I think i'd be open to a trade of a star for star trade involving Davis. If Giannis wanted out. That would be the only way.

For an in-season trade. Maybe if San Antonio stays hot and thinks that Davis next to Wemby is the key to putting them over the top. And if healthy, he could.

I know Barnes and Olynk have been mentioned to help fil salary and they are expiring. But what else can we get. I'm assuming Castle and Harper are off limits. Does Fox become expendable? We'd have to get Carter Bryant added for youth. Can we pry Vassell or Sochan in this. I feel like the Spurs could be the team.  But others who are smarter could figure out legal trades, etc.

(11-10-2025, 12:01 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think getting AD healthy and reminding the league what a defensive force he is might be the only reasonable way forward at this point, although I admit it is time to start looking for the opportune time to change direction. It seems more and more likely that the next move we can expect is a GM change. I'd like to hope that the second move would be to get an actual NBA architect/tactician on the coaching staff will soon follow that step. At THAT point, I'm all for whatever changes they think necessary. 

(11-10-2025, 12:07 PM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: I'm with you. I just worry that a GM change will have a negative impact on AD more than anyone. He is Nico's guy. Nico risked his career and reputation on AD.  But AD is exactly who we all thought he was. Extremely talented but never on the court. 

So if we fire Nico does AD pretty much pull a  Kawhi on us? Just play when he wants to, which is never. Then his value continues to decrease. I'm starting to wonder if we pull the plug on AD sooner rather than later. if we hire a new GM that is.

(11-10-2025, 12:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Hey, I expect that Harrison getting fired might have a negative impact on MANY of the Mavs players. He's obviously supported by AD and Kyrie, so I'd imagine that those guys will be on their way out almost immediately (they both have their contracts, so there's nothing really here to work for if the team isn't competing, anyway).  I'm not suggesting one or both would be traded the next day or week, but the new GM probably won't care about them the way Harrison does, or they him. 

PJW seems to like the dude quite a bit, too. Harrison has literally gotten this far in life because of relationships, and it's not going to make things better, from the locker room POV. Instead, it's going to bring home for them the severity of their losing situation and make it more real for them, bringing a lot of uncertainty with that realization. 

None of that matters though, because what's on the court is pathetic, so at some point losses have to be cut and the franchise has to get busy trying to fix this thing. If that means it has to get worse before it gets better, so be it.

(11-10-2025, 12:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Hey, I expect that Harrison getting fired might have a negative impact on MANY of the Mavs players. He's obviously supported by AD and Kyrie, so I'd imagine that those guys will be on their way out almost immediately (they both have their contracts, so there's nothing really here to work for if the team isn't competing, anyway).  I'm not suggesting one or both would be traded the next day or week, but the new GM probably won't care about them the way Harrison does, or they him. 

PJW seems to like the dude quite a bit, too. Harrison has literally gotten this far in life because of relationships, and it's not going to make things better, from the locker room POV. Instead, it's going to bring home for them the severity of their losing situation and make it more real for them, bringing a lot of uncertainty with that realization. 

None of that matters though, because what's on the court is pathetic, so at some point losses have to be cut and the franchise has to get busy trying to fix this thing. If that means it has to get worse before it gets better, so be it.

(11-10-2025, 01:05 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Surprisingly the Kings have all their picks until 2030. I´d be willing to gamble that if we trade for 50/40/90 Lavine and DeRozan plus the Kings next three picks Street Clothes can sink that team to new lows. Let´s add Klay for Monk, too. Schroeder, Sabonis, Klay and AD should at least get you into the lottery.

(11-10-2025, 01:40 PM)FireNicoHarrison Wrote: Yeah, Kings are so dump historically so they can trade for street clothes.

(11-10-2025, 02:47 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Oddly enough we might need Cuban for that trade, since it´s a sort of win now move, not a full tank or rebuild move.

Kyrie/Lavine
Christie/Monk
Flagg/DeRozan
Washington/Marshall
Lively/Gafford

Call me crazy, but that team is sneaky very good on paper. Add two first round picks (Mavs/Kings) in the 2026 draft that will have great depth.

(11-10-2025, 02:47 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Oddly enough we might need Cuban for that trade, since it´s a sort of win now move, not a full tank or rebuild move.

Kyrie/Lavine
Christie/Monk
Flagg/DeRozan
Washington/Marshall
Lively/Gafford

Call me crazy, but that team is sneaky very good on paper. Add two first round picks (Mavs/Kings) in the 2026 draft that will have great depth.