(12-14-2022, 08:42 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Didn't read the article but Luka is #4.  Only other Mavs are Wood at 76 and Dinwiddie at 77.

Jalen at 51 and KP at 53

https://nbarankings.theringer.com/

(12-14-2022, 08:30 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: One encouraging note is Green seems to have fully surpassed Bullock in the rotation…baby steps.  That is no small feat.

(12-14-2022, 09:17 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Interesting that they have John Collins at #95.

Again, I haven't read but I just saw Boston has 8 in the top 100.

(12-14-2022, 02:47 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: THJ and McGee to Sacramento 
Harrison Barnes and Theo Pinson to Atlanta
Richaun Holmes and Collins to Dallas

Might have to include Frank as well or as a substitute for Pinson to get the exact numbers to match.

(12-14-2022, 02:47 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: THJ and McGee to Sacramento 
Harrison Barnes and Theo Pinson to Atlanta
Richaun Holmes and Collins to Dallas

Might have to include Frank as well or as a substitute for Pinson to get the exact numbers to match.

(12-14-2022, 03:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I'm really worried that the best of Collins in the past has come through 1-5 pick and roll, playing as a solo big. 

Part of me feels like he'll be more likely than Wood to get time there here, with Kidd, because he'll be a more polished player. 

Part of me feels like he'll be more effective than Wood in a two big lineup even if he's used exactly how Wood is being used now...but this might be far from the truth. He's definitely not as good of a catch and shoot guy, for example. 

Part of me is worried that the team would end up in exactly the same mess of a two-big nightmare they're in right now, only with a big ol' guaranteed contract on the books. It's possible this is one of the worst things they could do, although I'm interested.

(12-14-2022, 04:42 PM)mvossman Wrote: I am pro Collins for Wood for many reasons, but most of them stem from BBIQ.  I think he will make better defense decisions than Wood which will allow him more time on the court from a Kidd standpoint.

I think Collins is more likely to get court time as a single big due to defensive decision making.

I think Collins is more mobile than Wood and is a much better defensive PF.

I think the Collins/Maxi fit is maybe even better than Wood/Maxi fit.

I'm not a huge fan of Collins/Powell, but he has played most of his minutes with another big clogging the paint, so we can probably survive at least some minutes there.

I don't see Wood sticking and this team needs talent, so I am willing to take on Collin's contract rather than nothing.

(12-14-2022, 03:44 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: Most definitely overkill, but winning a trade to increase assets isn't necessarily about fit.

Thinking long-term for mark, Dallas would drop more than 20 million from payroll by letting Wood and Powell walk at the end of the year.

But I would think the Mavs could first use Wood to make a 2nd move that balances out the roster...

(12-14-2022, 04:42 PM)mvossman Wrote: I am pro Collins for Wood for many reasons, but most of them stem from BBIQ.  I think he will make better defense decisions than Wood which will allow him more time on the court from a Kidd standpoint.

I think Collins is more likely to get court time as a single big due to defensive decision making.

I think Collins is more mobile than Wood and is a much better defensive PF.

I think the Collins/Maxi fit is maybe even better than Wood/Maxi fit.

I'm not a huge fan of Collins/Powell, but he has played most of his minutes with another big clogging the paint, so we can probably survive at least some minutes there.

I don't see Wood sticking and this team needs talent, so I am willing to take on Collin's contract rather than nothing.

(12-14-2022, 04:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, I'm leaning the same way on most of these thoughts. I just think it's worth a little thought. At the end of the day I suppose every deal comes with some risk.

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Ok, but what if Holmes isn't playing because he sucks? I honestly think that might be the case. 

And, call me crazy, but I'm pretty much to the point where I hope Powell is back next year. If they can successfully move him to the bench, great, but he's a winning player, imho. I bet he takes a slight haircut on the next deal (but you never know).

(12-14-2022, 06:53 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: IF the cost of adding Collins is to get Sacramento involved, then taking on Holmes (over them taking on McGee) is that price.

(12-14-2022, 11:19 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: They nailed the write-up on Wood pretty well IMHO (below).  Encouraging from a trade value standpoint that he’s ranked so highly.  Unfortunately, I’d probably trade him for almost any of the six bigs ranked after him (Carter, Zubac, Vuc., JV, Collins and Olynyk) and several who aren’t ranked (Poeltl, Claxton, Hartenstein and Adams).  So, I’m not sure he’s ranked properly.  Interesting that Utah has two ranked bigs that wouldn’t have come close to sniffing this list a year ago.

I think the proper trade destination for Wood is a team that needs to put butts in seats and has reason to believe they can extract more value for him in a rehab than it took to get him.  Maybe that’s what Dallas thought last summer.  Unfortunately, the expiring contract makes that trickier now than it was last summer.  The only real avenue for some other team to extract that value would be a S&T this summer assuming Wood is worth more than the MLE and a non cap room team wants him.

ANALYSIS

What’s the catch with Christian Wood? Everywhere he goes, he puts up numbers. He tantalizes with a remarkably well-rounded skill set that makes him, in many ways, a dream pick-and-roll big. And then, inevitably, he falls out of favor. 

It’s still a bit shocking that the Mavericks’ most productive big man plays so little, even while understanding Wood’s spacier defensive habits. There are bigs who can be counted on to be in perfect position in coverage, and then there’s Wood—liable to be a step out of place or a half-beat late in rotation, falling short in the exact ways that drive a coach up the wall. 

Honestly, he’s probably worth the trouble anyway. What Wood’s team loses in defensive precision, it makes up through the sheer breadth of his skill set. The only bigs who can finish, handle, and shoot like Wood are no-questions-asked All-Stars. The talent is there. Yet unless Wood drills down on some of the more thankless parts of the job—more attentive defense, sturdier screens, more diligent box-outs—he may never have the chance to prove that he can play at that level. —Rob Mahoney

(12-14-2022, 08:37 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: Sending out THJ and McGee is close to offsetting Collins for 3 yrs. In 4 yrs who knows how we will look at year - ok we-d hate it...

But I don't think Atlanta makes that deal...

(12-14-2022, 11:40 PM)cow Wrote: Wood can be spectacular and as great as the pairing is with Luka on the offensive side of the floor, it is equally as disasters on the defensive side.   I think you could probably build a somewhat successful team around wood and find some success, but good luck finding an organization that wants to do that.  The best team I can think for him currently is the Hornets.  That team isn't going anywhere so Wood's defense doesn't really hurt them.  He would pair nicely with LaMelo and give the team a much need infusion of talent.

Still get Monta vibes from Wood.

(12-14-2022, 11:44 PM)Jym Wrote: It'd be nice if his defense was better but that's certainly not why we lost tonight 
Seemed like he did just as well or better than Powell